Southwest off the runway at MDW

[difete]

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[difete]

you get what you pay for.

Have some respect for human loss of life!!
The kid was not even in the plane!

 

[1800 RVR]

That's what's wrong with this board...

All of you out there that are making light of this are truly pathetic! For God's sake, wake up! A kid died! I don't care if others make fun of other airlines. Take the higher road for once. As "professionals", some of you are acting like absolute f-in pricks. What happened to compassion, what happened to brotherhood, what about solidarity?

Go ahead and make your jokes. I hope it never happens to you. I'm with Sig:

PHUC|{ YOU ALL.

 

[canyonblue]

I do not know WHY he spoke, or what agreement he has, I guess the same could be made from everyone from John Nance, to Jim Dent. You should direct that question to them. To answer you sepcifically, your question of who this individual was smacked with a tone of "who is this low time flight instructor".

Well, I did not mean for it to come out that way. From the FAA database I could see that both of these individuals are very experienced pilots. My AGI, CFI point was, being a civilian CFI myself, I thought of these men being some of the FBO quarterbacks from the old days. No slam intended at the man you know, but I would never speak to the press, even if it was not my airline involved. I am also no fan of John Nance. I have been in many airports when the TV crews are scrambling to get some story, and I personally wouldn't give those morons the time of day. Case in point from a TV crew tonight........

Male reporter; “By all accounts the airplane ran off the end of the runway, through the fence and through the sound barrier.” (The sound barrier he was referring to is an acoustical {sound} barrier fence.)

Female reporter; “The SOUND BARRIER, isn’t that really fast? Why were the pilots flying that fast on landing?”

Male reporter; Long pause, then he explained the difference.

 

[AAflyer]

Canyon,

I agree, I would never want to be called by the media and asked specific questions, there are just too many variables. I do prefer these guys over the Miles Obriens of the business, but thats all.

If I were near by and asked, I would simply say "no comment, and my thoughts and prayers are with eveyone involved".

regards,

AA

 

[MINIME]

My thoughts and prayers are with the family of the deseased child and the crew and their families as well. Hang in there guys. You are a class act. This stuff can happen to anyone of us on a bad day! Shame on the cheap shots!

 

[T45Flyer]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]God Bless the little child that was lost tonite. It does show that our actions effect many others and I pray that this was truly an accident and not poor judgment/gross pilot error.

I am truly sad.[/FONT]

 

[Sig]

I'm with Sig:

Amen. I lost my top over this, because we lost sight of the cost of this mishap.

Thanks, 1800RVR.

To FN FAL: I have taken a deep breath, and I still shake wondering how I'd feel if my little girl was the one who died. Much respect to you, and you know why. Thanks.

To the rest--- Stop the cheap shots at SWA. There but the grace of god go I, and hopefully I'll get an hour or two of sleep tonight. May decency prevail and the good folks involved find peace.

 

[stonewall]

you get what you pay for.

Nice. Don't tell anyone your name when you apply at SWA. Tool.

 

[FracCapt]

I'm very sad to hear that somebody lost their life in this terrible accident..and even more so when I heard it was a 6 year old boy(assuming the CNN report was correct). They also stated that "numerous other people are in critical condition", and alluded to the fact that those people were from the cars the aircraft hit, not from the airplane.

The "expert" they spoke with, Steven Cowell, was described as "a pilot that is qualified in the Boeing 737 and trained with Southwest Airlines". WTF does that mean? Does it mean that he worked for SWA as a pilot or instructor? Does it mean that he got a 737 type rating and used a SWA sim for the training? Of course, they don't specify. He seemed to have some system knowledge of the aircraft, but not of Southwest SOP's, so I'm guessing he didn't fly for or teach for SWA.

Godspeed to all involved....and God bless that little boy.

 

[Guitar rocker]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]God Bless the little child that was lost tonite. It does show that our actions effect many others and I pray that this was truly an accident and not poor judgment/gross pilot error.

I am truly sad.[/FONT]

I couldnt agree more. I am sorry at the loss of a child or anyone for that matter.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Nice. Don't tell anyone your name when you apply at SWA. Tool.

I agree. That could have happened to any one of us out there. E120ASA, be a little more repsectful here!

 

[stonewall]

Sorry, but ASA idiot looked at a tragedy as a key time to voice his opinion on pretty much a political/business issue. In his mind, LCC=unsafe. This from a guy flying for ASA?? No disrepect intended to regionals, but methinks this particular ASA pilot would forget his politics and jump at a chance to fly for SWA.

 

[skiav8tor]

First...all of our prayers and thoughts should be with family of the child lost tonight, and those of the crew and customers onboard the aircraft, and all those involved. (And to all at Southwest Airlines)
Second...as we all know, accidents are a continuing education...and with the winter season upon us, we should all be a bit more diligent during these types of operations, particularly at challenging airports like MDW. (Not placing blame anywhere)
Third...I agree with several others here tonight...STOP THE CHEAP SHOTS!!!

Like Mom always said...if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all...

 

[Viffer]

Question for all of you 121 and SWA guys. How do you determine your minimum required runway lengths with contaminated runway conditions? This is not anything but an honest question. I fly under 91 and 135, in small mid size and large business jets and none that I have flown, could possibly meet the required length of 31C under those conditions, much less with 5 kts tailwind. I am curious about how 121 ops determine their landing runway lengths when it's not clear and dry.

 

[SWA/FO]

Well we don't want his ass. He can go ****himself. So can the rest of you folks that have taken the time on this board to take cheap shots at Southwest.

This a a very sad day.. for all of us at SWA.

 

[satpak77]

lets wait till we get the full facts before we hang the flight crew.

with THAT said, I see on the 31-C approach plate a notation that "landing length available" is 5826 feet

http://myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00081ILD31C.PDF

obviously, SWA has been into KMDW before, and we have the Captain, the CP, and Dispatch all involved in flight planning decisions.

With snow and ice/moisture/etc and less than optimal viz (albeit "legal"), I sure would have liked another 1000 feet of pavement to play with given the conditions

Good luck to all and prayers to the injured/deceased

 

[stonewall]

Well we don't want his ass. He can go **** himself. So can the rest of you folks that have taken the time on this board to take cheap shots at Southwest.

This a a very sad day.. for all of us at SWA.

You tell 'em bro. My Guard unit has two SWA guys who love the place...and their opinion is good enough for me. Nobody knows what exactly happened tonight, and all those variables that go into something like this can happen to each of us at any time.

 

[canyonblue]

I think most SWA pilots would like to answer many of the questions here, but given the nature of the incident and the anonymity, or possible lack thereof, of this board, and the possibility of a person gathering information for improper use, most would rather not comment as directed per our company policy. It is impossible to know if something said here could end up in some type of press material or used for other means. Many Aviation message boards are talked about in the press, and I would just like to go on record with a "no comment". Thanks for your concern and thoughts for those involved.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

Well we don't want his ass. He can go **** himself. So can the rest of you folks that have taken the time on this board to take cheap shots at Southwest.

This a a very sad day.. for all of us at SWA.

So, do your SOP's have a provision for landing on a contaminated runway with a tailwind?

 

[737 Pylt]

Yet another display of class. What happened to the "block user" function???

You'll learn very quickly who the "children" are that are posing as professional pilots and just ignore them, they will then go away! Its pretty pathetic when someone takes a pot shot at a tragic accident!
737

 

[Guitar rocker]

Well we don't want his ass. He can go **** himself. So can the rest of you folks that have taken the time on this board to take cheap shots at Southwest.

This a a very sad day.. for all of us at SWA.

It sure is. My prayers go out to all in this case, and especially the family of the little boy. But SWA FO, if you cant contain yourself and if you have to use cheap vulgarity, you dont deserve to be here at all. I hope to see YOUR name in the penalty box tonight. You are not professional by any means and are an embarrassment to all here!

 

[Viffer]

Well we don't want his ass. He can go **** himself. So can the rest of you folks that have taken the time on this board to take cheap shots at Southwest.

This a a very sad day.. for all of us at SWA.

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If that is directed at me, I am curious how 121 distances are worked, not taking a shot at anyone. It has been an observation on my side of the business that contaminated runways are by a lot of pilots and operators, ignored as it severly limits the use of the airplane. I am interested in the airline side of things and am asking an honest question. I'm sorry for your company's situation, and more so for the family of the lost child. If there is anyone here who can help me learn about that I more than appreciate the insight.

 

[Dennis Miller]

If there is anyone here who can help me learn about that I more than appreciate the insight.

You are starting to sound more like a lawyer. Let it go, they don't want to talk about it, and I don't blame them. God Bless to those involved.

 

[Hpilot]

Very sobering reminder of the responsibility that we all carry.

 

[Viffer]

You are starting to sound more like a lawyer. Let it go, they don't want to talk about it, and I don't blame them. God Bless to those involved.

Fair enough, this is all I will post. I still wonder though, how when our 15,000 lb airplane with a 95 knot ref can't meet a 135 landing there, how can a 737? Sorry to bother you.

 

[Victor120]

Flight is fragile as well as life. God bless all suffering tonight because of this accident.

 

[ivauir]

So, do your SOP's have a provision for landing on a contaminated runway with a tailwind?

??

If that is directed at me, I am curious how 121 distances are worked, not taking a shot at anyone. It has been an observation on my side of the business that contaminated runways are by a lot of pilots and operators, ignored as it severly limits the use of the airplane. I am interested in the airline side of things and am asking an honest question. I'm sorry for your company's situation, and more so for the family of the lost child. If there is anyone here who can help me learn about that I more than appreciate the insight.

You guys don't really expect us to discuss our procedures at this time do you? Please stop trying to bait us.
I appreciate the MANY folks who have shown class tonight.

 

[islandhopper]

just got home and heard two things right away. SWA went off the runway at MDW... That sucks!

I also heard that this thread on flightinfo had rapidly degenerated by the wanna-be crowd typical of flightinfo-ers these days. :angryfire

Well allow me just one post here since I have been hanging out over at the "other" message board. All you idiots trashing SWA can KISS MY ASS!
I know this is a hard day for you SW guys. Stay strong, stay safe. Aloha

(This is why I dont use this board anymore, too many wanna-bes that dont know sh!t)

 

[AlabamaMan!!]

God be with all those involved.

I'm not saying that maybe tonight is the best time to ask, but I dont think asking about contaminated runway procedures is showing "no class". Discussions involving safety issues like this help people become more safety conscious, and it gives others a chance to learn something maybe they didnt know.