Southwest Airlines Expands Atlanta Service With Two New Nonstop Destinations

[Hardcorr]

Have my new charlie sheen glasses on. Winning

 

[redflyer65]

General,

Andy has waaay more credibility with his industry insights than you have had in years. Sacha is right, keep pounding the same drum for the Trannies to go to arbitration. You do understand that list would NEVER be used don't you? So why keep saying we would have to live under a list that wouldn't even matter? Can you please explain how that would work? Oh...wait, that doesn't fit into you continous BS mantra. Sorry.

RF

 

[General Lee]

General,

Andy has waaay more credibility with his industry insights than you have had in years. Sacha is right, keep pounding the same drum for the Trannies to go to arbitration. You do understand that list would NEVER be used don't you? So why keep saying we would have to live under a list that wouldn't even matter? Can you please explain how that would work? Oh...wait, that doesn't fit into you continous BS mantra. Sorry.

RF

Andy has more CREDIBILITY with his insights? No, you happen to like what HE says better, which doesn't always mirror the truth. The truth is your group is gonna get hammered if you go to arbitration. The eventual award won't even be close to your first offer.(the bottom 60% of Airtran won't be in your bottom 20%) Andy can try to state that the Airtran folks don't deserve this or that, but that is up to the arbitrators. If SWAPA doesn't want to give them higher pay (or GK decides to continue that way), there will be more rifts between your groups and you WILL be the next USAir. Believe it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Have my new charlie sheen glasses on. Winning

If you end up in arbitration, LOSING.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Nice dodge General, as usual lately you like to avoid the real issues because they don't fit your agenda...

Now once again for you..

How does it it hurt me or any other SW pilot if the list NEVER gets used? Can you comprehend that?

 

[vv100]

Go find out what "Plan B" is Gen.

The Tranny's know.

They have stopped talking.

For good reason.

You aren't winning any friends on either side.

But that's the intention isn't it?

You are acting like a fool.

 

[Andy]

Andy can try to state that the Airtran folks don't deserve this or that, but that is up to the arbitrators.

What one deserves has absolutely zero to do with the outcome of this situation. It's about leverage and percentage chances of various outcomes.
Is there a percentage chance that you are correct and there's an arbitrated SLI which is executed and gives AirTran's pilots better seniority? Yes. But I don't give that scenario a high percentage.

I find Southwest's management to be the most transparent in the industry. They don't bluff. I don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

 

[General Lee]

Nice dodge General, as usual lately you like to avoid the real issues because they don't fit your agenda...

Now once again for you..

How does it it hurt me or any other SW pilot if the list NEVER gets used? Can you comprehend that?

If the list never gets used? You mean like at USAir? How are they doing these days? They can't renegotiate anything because if they do, they have to use the SLI Award from Nicalau. If they don't, then the AWA side can say "harm" was used on them, and they can sue everyone. The judge in the case said since "harm" hasn't happened YET, nothing can be done, YET. Got it? If you have to go through this, and the arbitrator panel issues a binding award, it will stick over your heads FOREVER. Eventually, you and others will have to deal with it. Try not to HARM your future brothers and sisters now, ya hear?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

What one deserves has absolutely zero to do with the outcome of this situation. It's about leverage and percentage chances of various outcomes.
Is there a percentage chance that you are correct and there's an arbitrated SLI which is executed and gives AirTran's pilots better seniority? Yes. But I don't give that scenario a high percentage.

I find Southwest's management to be the most transparent in the industry. They don't bluff. I don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

GK seems transparent, but since the last aquisition, the laws have changed, and they seem to benefit the "aquired" employees too. You can't just staple anymore, and you can't just dump them off. (Bond/McKaskil) The SWA management also signed a Process Agreement, and I bet the ALPA lawyers had some legal speak put into that too. I guess GK and SWAPA thought the Airtran group would immediately take the money, and not care as much about the seniority. So far that hasn't been the case.

I want to know what you think the SWA management CAN do? Does the BOD want this merger/aquisition to fail? I doubt that. Do the stockholders? Who does the CEO work for? The BOD and stockholders I would think. I doubt he works for the pilot group. If this goes to arbitration, I would guess that in the end GK might have to tell his pilots "well, it is binding, and now you can blame those arbitrators, and not me. See ya." Even the CFO said it could take "several years" to dump the 717s. I don't see anything happening fast, and if the next offer isn't GREAT, it may go to arbitration, and that would be interesting to watch. That concept is NOT hard to grasp.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Go find out what "Plan B" is Gen.

The Tranny's know.

They have stopped talking.

For good reason.

You aren't winning any friends on either side.

But that's the intention isn't it?

You are acting like a fool.

Plan B, eh? Uh huh. They have stopped talking? Maybe they are getting ready for the arbitrators? If the next offer isn't great, I would guess they might be heading that way. And, I am expressing my opinions on this board, not looking for more friends. Speaking of friends though, you aren't making any with your future brothers and sisters at Airtran, so I would suggest you start working on your manners towards them. Good luck with that.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Andy]

GK seems transparent, but since the last aquisition, the laws have changed, and they seem to benefit the "aquired" employees too. You can't just staple anymore, and you can't just dump them off. (Bond/McKaskil) The SWA management has also signed a Process Agreement, and I bet the ALPA lawyers had some legal speak put into that too. I think GK and SWAPA thought the Airtran group would immediately take the money, and not care about the seniority. So far that hasn't been the case.

I want to know what you think the SWA management CAN do? Does the BOD want this merger/aquisition to fail? I doubt that. Do the stockholders? Who does the CEO work for? The BOD and stockholders I would think. I doubt he works for the pilot group. If this goes to arbitration, I would guess that in the end GK might have to tell his pilots "well, it is binding, and now you can blame those arbitrators, and not me. See ya." Even the CFO said it could take "several years" to dump the 717s. I don't see anything happening fast, and if the next offer isn't GREAT, it may go to arbitration, and that would be interesting to watch. That concept is NOT hard to grasp.


Bye Bye---General Lee

The Bond-McCaskill amendment was attached to an appropriations bill and sponsored by two Missouri Congressmen - Rep Bond and Sen McCaskill. It has no teeth which is why it was allowed to be attached to the appropriations bill. Symbolism with near zero substance in the wake of AMR buying TWA.

After personally dealing with lawyers on several issues, I've learned that laws usually have several 'back door' escapes and that if you want a workaround to any law, it can be done. It's just a matter of cost.

What do I think SWA management can do? I've written on this so many times; have you not been able to understand what I've written? Here; I'll go with a very simple workaround. Golman Sachs (The Vampire Squid) sets up a shell company - call it ScrewUAirAssets. Southwest sells all of Texas Sub, LLC to ScrewUAirAssets - everything down to office furniture and lav pumpers. Southwest leases desired assets from ScrewUAirAssets. The Vampire Squid sells off those pieces of ScrewUAirAssets that aren't leased to Southwest. The Vampire Squid makes nice coin on being the middleman.

 

[General Lee]

The Bond-McCaskill amendment was attached to an appropriations bill and sponsored by two Missouri Congressmen - Rep Bond and Sen McCaskill. It has no teeth which is why it was allowed to be attached to the appropriations bill. Symbolism with near zero substance in the wake of AMR buying TWA.

After personally dealing with lawyers on several issues, I've learned that laws usually have several 'back door' escapes and that if you want a workaround to any law, it can be done. It's just a matter of cost.

What do I think SWA management can do? I've written on this so many times; have you not been able to understand what I've written? Here; I'll go with a very simple workaround. Golman Sachs (The Vampire Squid) sets up a shell company - call it ScrewUAirAssets. Southwest sells all of Texas Sub, LLC to ScrewUAirAssets - everything down to office furniture and lav pumpers. Southwest leases desired assets from ScrewUAirAssets. The Vampire Squid sells off those pieces of ScrewUAirAssets that aren't leased to Southwest. The Vampire Squid makes nice coin on being the middleman.

Funny stuff. So, you have had dealings with a couple lawyers, and now you're Judge Judy? Come on now! And you think Bond/McKaskil isn't a tough law, but a weak one? Hmmmmm. I hope you represent the Corndogs in ANY proceeding they have, including possible arbitration..... Go for it Lincoln Lawyer!

And Goldman Sachs will just come in and sell of pieces, one by one, you think? I guess nobody will notice, and the operations will run smoothly. Riiiight.

I have a feeling it will be a lot more simple than that. If it comes down to a binding award, that is how it would be presented. You can try to evade it, or just accept it and move on. Everyone can blame the arbitrators, or they can blame the people sitting next to them in the cockpit.

But, since you have dealt with lawyers before, you may feel differently, Judge Wapner. Good stuff though, good stuff.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Andy]

GL, you've opted for sarcasm instead of discussing the subject. I can see why no one takes you seriously anymore.

 

[GIZMONC]

Claire Conner McCaskill (pronounced /məˈkæskəl/; born July 24, 1953) is the senior United States Senator from Missouri and a member of the Democratic Party. She defeated Republican incumbent Jim Talent in the 2006 U.S. Senate election, by a margin of 49.6% to 47.3%.[1] She is the first woman elected to the U.S. Senate from Missouri. She became the state's senior U.S. Senator upon the retirement of Kit Bond in 2011.[2]

Before her election to the U.S. Senate, McCaskill was State Auditor of Missouri from 1999 to 2007. She previously served as Jackson County Prosecutor (1993–1998) and a member of the Missouri House of Representatives (1983–1988). She was an unsuccessful candidate for Governor of Missouri in the 2004 gubernatorial election. She is a native of Rolla and graduate of the University of Missouri.

In the U.S. Senate, McCaskill serves as a member of the Committee on Armed Services, Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and Special Committee on Aging. She is chairman of the Subcommittee on Contracting Oversight. She was cited by The New York Times to be among the seventeen women most likely to become the first female President of the United States.[3]

 

[GIZMONC]

General LEE, many of your posts have spelled Claire McCaskill incorrectly. Please reload your Bavis Macon touch typing program again and try to practice your touch typing skills again please. Mistyping a K or a C could be a serious issue since they are controlled with different fingers on DIFFERENT HANDS

 

[Sacha]

Claire Conner McCaskill (pronounced /məˈkæskəl/; born July 24, 1953) is the senior United States Senator from Missouri and a member of the Democratic Party. She defeated Republican incumbent Jim Talent in the 2006 U.S. Senate election, by a margin of 49.6% to 47.3%.[1] She is the first woman elected to the U.S. Senate from Missouri. She became the state's senior U.S. Senator upon the retirement of Kit Bond in 2011.[2]

Before her election to the U.S. Senate, McCaskill was State Auditor of Missouri from 1999 to 2007. She previously served as Jackson County Prosecutor (1993–1998) and a member of the Missouri House of Representatives (1983–1988). She was an unsuccessful candidate for Governor of Missouri in the 2004 gubernatorial election. She is a native of Rolla and graduate of the University of Missouri.

In the U.S. Senate, McCaskill serves as a member of the Committee on Armed Services, Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and Special Committee on Aging. She is chairman of the Subcommittee on Contracting Oversight. She was cited by The New York Times to be among the seventeen women most likely to become the first female President of the United States.[3]

Actually it was eighteen women. The New York Times resident Socialist, Paul Krugman said On Your Six was a shoe in as soon as she gets furloughed from Delta.

 

[On Your Six]

Actually it was eighteen women. The New York Times resident Socialist, Paul Krugman said On Your Six was a shoe in as soon as she gets furloughed from Delta.

If I ever get furloughed (even with a flowdown agreement?), that will give me more time to watch your hilarious situation with AT. I can't wait to see your bad reaction to the ISL. Popcorn ready!


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

General LEE, many of your posts have spelled Claire McCaskill incorrectly. Please reload your Bavis Macon touch typing program again and try to practice your touch typing skills again please. Mistyping a K or a C could be a serious issue since they are controlled with different fingers on DIFFERENT HANDS

Great 4th post.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[e=mc2]

McCaskill pronounced TAX CHEAT. Married a rich guy who testified before her committee. Registered her and her husbands jet in another state to dog the taxes. Just another of Sir Golfs-A-Lot water carriers.

 

[Sacha]

His 4 posts are more intelligent than your 4,000 posts bimbo.......