Sorry...I've had it!

[mac36]

Tonight I was denied the jumpseat on an NWA 757, 1/2 full, last flight of the night, because of where I am employeed. Because of this and recent events, and the disrespect towards my fellow employees displayed over the last 15-18 months...many of whom are furloughed from an ALPA carrier, some of whom are furloughed from this ALPA carrier, I will no longer accept an NWA employee on my jumpseat.

The only pilot who will deny a jumpseat, is a guy who doesn't commute or has never had to commute off-line. Thus the clown in question will never feel the retaliation, only the guy in the same boat as you.

You are welcome to ride with me any time (at US Airways).

 

[Snoop]

And you guys are all welcome at mine...As long as you aren't wearing a G@jet ID... My friends back at Transstates are fighting this one hard and it sucks, but the jumpseat isn't open to them....

 

[Whale Rider]

Thats just BS! Not let a guy on with a plane half full? Thats BS!!!!...and for what?????:uzi:

 

[jetfo]

Like they say, it is the captain’s JS, but his personal opinion of where you work, or his frustration with this company, is no reason to deny a legitimate JS request.

320AV8R

I certainly agree with that and anyone who denies the JS to advance the captains personal agenda or biases is unprofessional and reprehensible. I only hope that what goes around comes around, although denying JS as a response is just lowering yourself to the same reprehensible conduct and perpetuates the problem.

This a professional courtesy we all extend to each other. Let's not make this a tool for our personal biases or vendetas. Granting a jumpseat to a pilot from a carrier that we may not like actually gives us the opportunity to voice our views and further our agenda. This is much more effective tool for communication and change.

You may even find out that your preconceived notions may actually be wrong by having the opportunity for a positive exchange of ideas

 

[pipejockey]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

 

[Pilotbob3]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

oh puhhhlleeeze....you got to be kidding me....what a bunch of Krapp!

 

[IB6 UB9]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

You idiot.

 

[jetflier]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

F L A M E B A I T ! !.......Or a management puke!!!!!!!

 

[320AV8R]

Didn't this thread die about 2 weeks ago ?

320AV8R

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

Not flaimebait an idiot or management. Part of being a mature fwd thinker is to understand (NOT JUSTIFY) where people are coming from when things don't go the way you expect them to go....

First of all, this thread should have never been started. IB6 UB9, all this thread does is whip up a mob frenzy. Your original post and this thread is flawed. All you are doing is looking for sympathy....

In addition, if your character is to start this kind of post, was your behavior beyond reproach when you requested the jumpseat? All we have is your version of the account. We always judge others by thier actions and ourselves by our thoughts. Until we get the the other side of the story we'll never know the truth.

The fact is when we jumpseat off line we are asking for a free ride on someone elses carrier. I appears that since your fiancee was traveling too the stress and expectation of getting on was high and since it didn't happen you're pretty disapointed and angry.

Finally, you've indicated that you are ready to become the guy that you are "publicly" flogging.

It seems to me there is a lot of house cleaning on your side before you discuss the dirt in someone elses....

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Not flaimebait an idiot or management. Part of being a mature fwd thinker is to understand (NOT JUSTIFY) where people are coming from when things don't go the way you expect them to go....

First of all, this thread should have never been started. IB6 UB9, all this thread does is whip up a mob frenzy. Your original post and this thread is flawed. All you are doing is looking for sympathy....

In addition, if your character is to start this kind of post, was your behavior beyond reproach when you requested the jumpseat? All we have is your version of the account. We always judge others by thier actions and ourselves by our thoughts. Until we get the the other side of the story we'll never know the truth.

The fact is when we jumpseat off line we are asking for a free ride on someone elses carrier. I appears that since your fiancee was traveling too the stress and expectation of getting on was high and since it didn't happen you're pretty disapointed and angry.

Finally, you've indicated that you are ready to become the guy that you are "publicly" flogging.

It seems to me there is a lot of house cleaning on your side before you discuss the dirt in someone elses....

Rez, you're really off base on this one. The individual who started is beyond reproach and is fed up with his experiences. It appears from your profile you've never had the "pleasure" of commuting so you don't know what kind of crap shoot it is to get to work. And please, spare us the argument that if the job is so important, you'd live at your base. IB6 UB9 is venting his frustrations to inform others of his experience in hope that readers of this thread will understand and appreciate the events some fall under from time to time. The hope is that it will not be repeated by anybody else and those who may think this way may want to readjust their thought process. I believe Red Green states it quite well when he says that "I'm counting on you, We're all in this together."

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, you're really off base on this one. The individual who started is beyond reproach and is fed up with his experiences. It appears from your profile you've never had the "pleasure" of commuting so you don't know what kind of crap shoot it is to get to work. And please, spare us the argument that if the job is so important, you'd live at your base. IB6 UB9 is venting his frustrations to inform others of his experience in hope that readers of this thread will understand and appreciate the events some fall under from time to time. The hope is that it will not be repeated by anybody else and those who may think this way may want to readjust their thought process. I believe Red Green states it quite well when he says that "I'm counting on you, We're all in this together."

Wrong!

I commuted for four years. Lived at domicle for a while and now commute again. Trying to label me a non commuter is a typical MO.

I take a USMC attitude when I am flying my trips - No one gets left behind! I had the pleasure of taking JB pilot this fall. He was to sit in the cabin. It filled up quick and I welcomed him right into the flightdeck. Great guy. Great airline.

I can always burn 200lbs of gas before take off, so a jumpseater gets to go. Often I do a sweep and clear of the gate to make sure any jumpseaters know I know they are there and I am doing all I can to get them on; therefore I cut out the middle man-the gate agent.

I am the biggest supporter of jumpseating. It is the one of the last greatest perks of this job. And this why I am not jumping on IB6's blood in the water feeding frenzy. If IB6 is fed up maybe he and others like him should change what they can control: their expectations. Jumpseating is a privildge not a right. We all get denied from time to time.

Again, this thread should've never been started. It is biased and emotional.

What is IB6 really trying to accomplish? His intentions maybe be true but his delivery is off. Does his post turn a negative into a positive? Does this thread unite or divide?

 

[IB6 UB9]

Wrong!

I commuted for four years. Lived at domicle for a while and now commute again. Trying to label me a non commuter is a typical MO.

I take a USMC attitude when I am flying my trips - No one gets left behind! I had the pleasure of taking JB pilot this fall. He was to sit in the cabin. It filled up quick and I welcomed him right into the flightdeck. Great guy. Great airline.

I can always burn 200lbs of gas before take off, so a jumpseater gets to go. Often I do a sweep and clear of the gate to make sure any jumpseaters know I know they are there and I am doing all I can to get them on; therefore I cut out the middle man-the gate agent.

I am the biggest supporter of jumpseating. It is the one of the last greatest perks of this job. And this why I am not jumping on IB6's blood in the water feeding frenzy. If IB6 is fed up maybe he and others like him should change what they can control: their expectations. Jumpseating is a privildge not a right. We all get denied from time to time.

Again, this thread should've never been started. It is biased and emotional.

What is IB6 really trying to accomplish? His intentions maybe be true but his delivery is off. Does his post turn a negative into a positive? Does this thread unite or divide?

You are right, my original post was off base, and later I retracted the statement. I don't have the time or energy to go through the whole thread but I think it is still there. However, some "maintenance" was done on this thread not long ago and the whole story isn't here. I of all people realize there are two sides to a story, but I can assure you sir, it was a legit request. All that is happening here is B6 is getting denied the jumpseat periodically because we work here, and other than ranting on a public forum, we remain professional and honor ALL jumpseat requests by other carriers, including NWA.

 

[Eagleflip]

It takes a "big" person to admit that his words were wrong. IB6, you've done a great job of doing so several times now, so I don't fault you.

Gents, I think this horse is quite well beaten. Can we move on to something more productive?


EF

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Gents, I think this horse is quite well beaten. Can we move on to something more productive?


EF

Yes, let's do that. What is up with B6 pilots cleaning the planes. And what is going to happen when they have to start paying for their planes. And wouldn't you agree that they are the same as Peoples express?

Just kidding EF