Sorry...I've had it!

[furloughfodder]

Why don't you just buy a ticket?

They are only like $29 on Jetblue or Southwest....or you can ride Spirit for $9 if you are tight on cash.

 

[OPECJet]

NW pilots won sole jumpseat authority during their last contract and the company has no say?

I hope this is not the case considering many carriers will take as many NWA, or any other pilots as there are open seats. I've never been a fan of restricting access to pilots of carriers who will not accept multiple riders, but at what point are pilots of other carriers going to have to take a stand? That will not benefit anyone.

I like the peer pressure idea, but I would approach it tactfully. There is no sense in making an NWA pilot riding with you feel uneasy as he asks you for a ride. He might not even know the tool who denied you.

Hope it works out.

 

[freightdogfred]

Duuude, parts a me is goin to be agreein wit da Yogourt. Sometimes like da jumpseat dude is like lookin like a slob, wearin ole flip-flops and smellin like he had too many brewskis, or aint showin da proper creds, so dude ain't going. But even if dude is a little bit of a putzknocker, I still gonna let him on, if he can jus get it under control. But no way I be usin jumpseat as a tool to be like doin udder peeps day way. Chuckie, you always gots a ride on da Tranny, just make sure you take your meds, duude.


Jet Blue dude sounds like ha aint dat type, he wuz just tryin to get to his crib, and like NWA Captain dude wuz like gonna punish him just cause the dude worked for da Blue.

See, like here's da deal. If I be like wantin to Jumpseat, I'll like show da guy all da stuff (license, med, passapuerto, etc), den like just be like really nice and like professional.

Naw Bro, I don't be sayin "Hey, dude, here I be to like be jumpseatin on your airship to get to my peeps and my brewskis, now gimmie dat good seat up in da front!"

You cant's be rude, and you gots to axs da Capt's permission and just be smart.

Jet Blue dude got whacked, and duuuude, dat suuuuuucks, but DON'T BE HATIN, and don't take it out on some udder NWA pilot, cause dude mo debinitly don't deserve it.

You funny...Dat U on my JS last week?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Tonight I was denied the jumpseat on an NWA 757, 1/2 full, last flight of the night, because of where I am employeed. Because of this and recent events, and the disrespect towards my fellow employees displayed over the last 15-18 months...many of whom are furloughed from an ALPA carrier, some of whom are furloughed from this ALPA carrier, I will no longer accept an NWA employee on my jumpseat.

Take the high road....tell your J/S comittee chairman...tell him/her what happened, with all pertinent data....tell him/her you want to know what they are gonna do with your infomation and you want to know the outcome...

the next time you get a NWA pilot on your J/S...you will prove that you are a bigger person and more professional than the Capt on the 1/2 full 757.

AFTER you land, you will let the NWA J/S know (without any emotion) calmly, what happened to you....and maybe he can take this up with his J/S comittee chairman also on behalf of all NWA pilots who need to use your J/S...just as much as you need theirs.

This doen't need to become a civil war just because of the behavior of one or two idiots.

Tejas

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I don't know if I'll deny a jumpseat but the guy is going to need an ice-pack for his ears after he gets done listening to my tirade.
B6Guy.

Why??? So he can leave with the impression that he just flew with a "blowhard"?

Why not take the high road and be professional about it. After the flight, ask him (calmly, professionally) how he thinks this problem can be handled so that all commuters won't have to deal with this in the future.

In my career, I have flown with one Capt who treated an AA J/S'er like crap....and I used to use the AA J/S alot. After that flight, I told him that I was commuter and need the AA j/S on occasion.

His response? He didn't care about my occasional need. OK....I quit caring about his and infomed him that I would be calling Professional Standards and the J/S folks about his unprofessional behavior.

I also remember that I packed my s*#t and got off the flight just before the last leg of the trip and left him high and dry in MSY. Believe me, that got everyone's attention and put his name on everybody's list.

That happened more than 10 years ago....that guy was a pain to fly with.

Tejas

 

[B6Guy]

The only way

The only way these Jerk captains are going to get peer pressure is from their peers [by definition]. And since it has been asked to NOT post these captian's names on this public forum, but rather to transmit their names by PM, then the only effective way is going to be to inform every NWA jumpseat requestor about the antics of the few NWA captians that are putting the jumpseat in jepoardy for all JB and NWA jumpseaters. There are too few reading these forums

I won't deny a Jumpseater, but they WILL be educated if I have time. They are the peers who have to apply the pressure. If it gets to be known at NWA that these wayward captains are causing a serious problem for their own people, then the blanket parties may be considered by their peers.

There are stinkers at every carrier, but the frequency of several names on the denial list indicates that these guys are bidding JFK and LGA flights just to add as much misery as possible to JB commuters.

As far as buying a ticket, why should I have to?? I may have to start buying tickets, but that is only going to add fuel to the fire. I provide NW jumpseaters a seat, and often create a seat by insisting that a JB deadheader sit up in the cockpit freeing up a seat in back for an offline FA. I know the pain of jumpseating so I do everything to make it as easy as possible, like all of us at JB do.

If someone wants to point fingers, the whole problem now is too little revenue. And since NWA is the poster-child for not matching fare increases for what?? the last ten years?? Maybe all carriers should blacklist all NWA jumpseaters since they work for NWA, That would be fair wouldn't it?? [sarcasm incase you didn't catch it] Just as fair and proper as it is for NWA captains to deny a jumpseat or one of the two cabin seats to JB pilots because of where we work.

[sarcasm] Pilots unite!! blacklist NWA jumpseaters!! Their company is responsible for the demise of the industry!! The refusal by NWA to match fare increases over the last decade has driven down the injustry and caused the misery at UAL, UsAirways, Delta and every other carrier who has taken pay and work-rule cuts. Therefore is is the pilots who work at NWA fault for all the current pay cuts and furloughs[Sarcasm]

And for those who keep harping about 'just contact your JS coordinator with flight info and let them take care of it'. Well that has been what has been done for 15+ months, and the problem is spreading, not lessening.

So the next step?? Peer pressure, or ???

 

[GRJRKNSKYDUMY]

Actually, I think that instead of distributing these Captains names to B6 pilots, they should be distributed to junior NW folks.
This way if they get furloughed (And I wish this on no one) they can make sure that their next airline of choice meets with these Captains approval.

 

[WWJB]

what the !@$#

I'm gonna lay this out as clear as I can. The COMPANY owns the jumpseat. There are COMPANY POLICIES as to who can ride in the jumpseat.

"The Captain can deny the jumpseat to whoever he likes with no logical, defendable reason given."..........Bulls!@#

What really is going on here is that an employee of a company is not complying with policy and is not being held accountable for his actions.

The silence from the NWA jumpseat committe is deafening. How about: "do this again and you'll be off for a month."

I have, and will continue to bend over backwards for offline jumpseaters. And, I have always been treated well by other airline pilots when I've jumseated offline (never been on NWA, but have many friends there and hope that pilot group would extend recipricol professional courtesies).

I hope that if I am ever denied a jumpseat I will have had the forsight to reach into my flight bag, grab an ID90, hold it up to the capt and tell him to kiss my blue crack..."I'll be in back eating your peanuts if you need me."

 

[320AV8R]

Here's a blurb out of the FOM describing the number of Other Air Line (OAL) jumpseaters that can be accepted.


320AV8R


Cabin Jumpseating
OAL pilots and dispatchers may be authorized for cabin jumpseats.A total of two
(2) cabin seats may be utilized by OAL pilots and dispatchers, in addition to the
flight deck jumpseats utilized by NWA personnel or authorized OAL pilots.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Thanks for posting that and clearing that up. Palomino...you there?

 

[Palomino]

yup. right here. gonna share your club so i can continue in the dead horse beating?

do you wanna hear my sob stories about commuting as well?

i wish you well in the rest of your commuting. i'm sure this thread has solved all your issues.

do you wear epaulets or chips on your blue shirts at B6?

 

[SoCentralRain]

it appears that the only jumpseat on the 757 was already spoken for on this flight.

Easy there, Palomino. Your "horse" was brought back to life with the aforementioned quote.

Now giddyup, little doggie. IB6 was just setting the record straight.

Cheers,
SCR

 

[AA717driver]

Starting today, I am no longer letting NWA pilots on my jumpseat. That'll teach 'em! TC

 

[IB6 UB9]

If I can let them on surely you can... .

 

[B6Guy]

Let 'em on

The Sarcastic comment in my last post was to just point out how anyone can point fingers anywhere. The point is that NWA is not without guilt for the current mess the industry is in. Everyone, LCC's included need the fare to go up. If NWA had followed the other carriers in hiking fares in the past, maybe, just maybe we all would be making more money.

Anyone wanting a jumpseat on 'my' plane will be allowed on. NWA jumpseaters will have to endure a few minutes of education, [with a smile of course].

I just bought my first ID-90 to hopefully make sure I get home for Christmas.

Happy [and safe] Holidays everyone.
B6guy

 

[mac36]

Tonight I was denied the jumpseat on an NWA 757, 1/2 full, last flight of the night, because of where I am employeed. Because of this and recent events, and the disrespect towards my fellow employees displayed over the last 15-18 months...many of whom are furloughed from an ALPA carrier, some of whom are furloughed from this ALPA carrier, I will no longer accept an NWA employee on my jumpseat.

The only pilot who will deny a jumpseat, is a guy who doesn't commute or has never had to commute off-line. Thus the clown in question will never feel the retaliation, only the guy in the same boat as you.

You are welcome to ride with me any time (at US Airways).

 

[Snoop]

And you guys are all welcome at mine...As long as you aren't wearing a G@jet ID... My friends back at Transstates are fighting this one hard and it sucks, but the jumpseat isn't open to them....

 

[Whale Rider]

Thats just BS! Not let a guy on with a plane half full? Thats BS!!!!...and for what?????:uzi:

 

[jetfo]

Like they say, it is the captain’s JS, but his personal opinion of where you work, or his frustration with this company, is no reason to deny a legitimate JS request.

320AV8R

I certainly agree with that and anyone who denies the JS to advance the captains personal agenda or biases is unprofessional and reprehensible. I only hope that what goes around comes around, although denying JS as a response is just lowering yourself to the same reprehensible conduct and perpetuates the problem.

This a professional courtesy we all extend to each other. Let's not make this a tool for our personal biases or vendetas. Granting a jumpseat to a pilot from a carrier that we may not like actually gives us the opportunity to voice our views and further our agenda. This is much more effective tool for communication and change.

You may even find out that your preconceived notions may actually be wrong by having the opportunity for a positive exchange of ideas

 

[pipejockey]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

 

[Pilotbob3]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

oh puhhhlleeeze....you got to be kidding me....what a bunch of Krapp!

 

[IB6 UB9]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

You idiot.

 

[jetflier]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

F L A M E B A I T ! !.......Or a management puke!!!!!!!

 

[320AV8R]

Didn't this thread die about 2 weeks ago ?

320AV8R

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Maybe this NWA Cpt. just got a furlough notice or something. Everyone is entitled to a bad day are we not? I can sympathize with the NWA guy. He has watched a prosperous career get washed down the drain the past 4 years. He has watched airlines come in and with their significantly lower costs, due in part to employees willing to work for half as much, provide the same service his company provides for far less, thus siphoning off his work. Give the guy a break, he's firing some of the last shots in a lost war to save this profession.

Not flaimebait an idiot or management. Part of being a mature fwd thinker is to understand (NOT JUSTIFY) where people are coming from when things don't go the way you expect them to go....

First of all, this thread should have never been started. IB6 UB9, all this thread does is whip up a mob frenzy. Your original post and this thread is flawed. All you are doing is looking for sympathy....

In addition, if your character is to start this kind of post, was your behavior beyond reproach when you requested the jumpseat? All we have is your version of the account. We always judge others by thier actions and ourselves by our thoughts. Until we get the the other side of the story we'll never know the truth.

The fact is when we jumpseat off line we are asking for a free ride on someone elses carrier. I appears that since your fiancee was traveling too the stress and expectation of getting on was high and since it didn't happen you're pretty disapointed and angry.

Finally, you've indicated that you are ready to become the guy that you are "publicly" flogging.

It seems to me there is a lot of house cleaning on your side before you discuss the dirt in someone elses....

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Not flaimebait an idiot or management. Part of being a mature fwd thinker is to understand (NOT JUSTIFY) where people are coming from when things don't go the way you expect them to go....

First of all, this thread should have never been started. IB6 UB9, all this thread does is whip up a mob frenzy. Your original post and this thread is flawed. All you are doing is looking for sympathy....

In addition, if your character is to start this kind of post, was your behavior beyond reproach when you requested the jumpseat? All we have is your version of the account. We always judge others by thier actions and ourselves by our thoughts. Until we get the the other side of the story we'll never know the truth.

The fact is when we jumpseat off line we are asking for a free ride on someone elses carrier. I appears that since your fiancee was traveling too the stress and expectation of getting on was high and since it didn't happen you're pretty disapointed and angry.

Finally, you've indicated that you are ready to become the guy that you are "publicly" flogging.

It seems to me there is a lot of house cleaning on your side before you discuss the dirt in someone elses....

Rez, you're really off base on this one. The individual who started is beyond reproach and is fed up with his experiences. It appears from your profile you've never had the "pleasure" of commuting so you don't know what kind of crap shoot it is to get to work. And please, spare us the argument that if the job is so important, you'd live at your base. IB6 UB9 is venting his frustrations to inform others of his experience in hope that readers of this thread will understand and appreciate the events some fall under from time to time. The hope is that it will not be repeated by anybody else and those who may think this way may want to readjust their thought process. I believe Red Green states it quite well when he says that "I'm counting on you, We're all in this together."

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, you're really off base on this one. The individual who started is beyond reproach and is fed up with his experiences. It appears from your profile you've never had the "pleasure" of commuting so you don't know what kind of crap shoot it is to get to work. And please, spare us the argument that if the job is so important, you'd live at your base. IB6 UB9 is venting his frustrations to inform others of his experience in hope that readers of this thread will understand and appreciate the events some fall under from time to time. The hope is that it will not be repeated by anybody else and those who may think this way may want to readjust their thought process. I believe Red Green states it quite well when he says that "I'm counting on you, We're all in this together."

Wrong!

I commuted for four years. Lived at domicle for a while and now commute again. Trying to label me a non commuter is a typical MO.

I take a USMC attitude when I am flying my trips - No one gets left behind! I had the pleasure of taking JB pilot this fall. He was to sit in the cabin. It filled up quick and I welcomed him right into the flightdeck. Great guy. Great airline.

I can always burn 200lbs of gas before take off, so a jumpseater gets to go. Often I do a sweep and clear of the gate to make sure any jumpseaters know I know they are there and I am doing all I can to get them on; therefore I cut out the middle man-the gate agent.

I am the biggest supporter of jumpseating. It is the one of the last greatest perks of this job. And this why I am not jumping on IB6's blood in the water feeding frenzy. If IB6 is fed up maybe he and others like him should change what they can control: their expectations. Jumpseating is a privildge not a right. We all get denied from time to time.

Again, this thread should've never been started. It is biased and emotional.

What is IB6 really trying to accomplish? His intentions maybe be true but his delivery is off. Does his post turn a negative into a positive? Does this thread unite or divide?

 

[IB6 UB9]

Wrong!

I commuted for four years. Lived at domicle for a while and now commute again. Trying to label me a non commuter is a typical MO.

I take a USMC attitude when I am flying my trips - No one gets left behind! I had the pleasure of taking JB pilot this fall. He was to sit in the cabin. It filled up quick and I welcomed him right into the flightdeck. Great guy. Great airline.

I can always burn 200lbs of gas before take off, so a jumpseater gets to go. Often I do a sweep and clear of the gate to make sure any jumpseaters know I know they are there and I am doing all I can to get them on; therefore I cut out the middle man-the gate agent.

I am the biggest supporter of jumpseating. It is the one of the last greatest perks of this job. And this why I am not jumping on IB6's blood in the water feeding frenzy. If IB6 is fed up maybe he and others like him should change what they can control: their expectations. Jumpseating is a privildge not a right. We all get denied from time to time.

Again, this thread should've never been started. It is biased and emotional.

What is IB6 really trying to accomplish? His intentions maybe be true but his delivery is off. Does his post turn a negative into a positive? Does this thread unite or divide?

You are right, my original post was off base, and later I retracted the statement. I don't have the time or energy to go through the whole thread but I think it is still there. However, some "maintenance" was done on this thread not long ago and the whole story isn't here. I of all people realize there are two sides to a story, but I can assure you sir, it was a legit request. All that is happening here is B6 is getting denied the jumpseat periodically because we work here, and other than ranting on a public forum, we remain professional and honor ALL jumpseat requests by other carriers, including NWA.

 

[Eagleflip]

It takes a "big" person to admit that his words were wrong. IB6, you've done a great job of doing so several times now, so I don't fault you.

Gents, I think this horse is quite well beaten. Can we move on to something more productive?


EF

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Gents, I think this horse is quite well beaten. Can we move on to something more productive?


EF

Yes, let's do that. What is up with B6 pilots cleaning the planes. And what is going to happen when they have to start paying for their planes. And wouldn't you agree that they are the same as Peoples express?

Just kidding EF