Something brewing at Luv?

[kwick]

Pay can change overnight. Just look at the UAL pay in 2000.

Career expectations at SW are less at SW than at most airlines. 15-20 years to upgrade according to the computer.

SW may have to give super seniority to FO's at any airline they acquire to account for upgrade expectations.

 

[Mea25000]

LUV is not buying ALK. No one is buying ALK right now. Have you seen where the stock is trading.

 

[Fly4hire]

What do you think? Someone is going to buy AS. If DAL has not already done it, AMR and WN will be fighting for it.

Also maybe WN will code with a Legacy shortly. Lots is going to happen, the first domino has fallen.

I feel sorry the pilots for whatever the legacy is who code share with WN. If it's domestic code share that legacy will be doing less, and if it's international it may grow that side, but require less of the legacies own feed. The only pilots I see benefiting by this are WN.

 

[Noserider76]

I feel sorry the pilots for whatever the legacy is who code share with WN. If it's domestic code share that legacy will be doing less, and if it's international it may grow that side, but require less of the legacies own feed. The only pilots I see benefiting by this are WN.

I don't think you'd see an airline with first class codesharing with SWA. Even the contract regionals are trending toward first class sections.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I don't think you'd see an airline with first class codesharing with SWA. Even the contract regionals are trending toward first class sections.

Hence the TIC part....

 

[RedDogC130]

If it's domestic code share that legacy will be doing less, .

Just to make sure.....SWA's current contract does not allow for domestic code-share...so it is out of the question.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Alaska is a much different deal, they really do have a much more comparable career to SWA pilots and I doubt anyone seriously thinks a staple would be appropriate. Not that it really matters, I think this rumor is BS.

I agree with you on all counts. You make my point very eloquently. Both SWA and ALK are profitable airlines. Equipment matches. Seniority demographics are comparable.

Using a minor difference in pay rates and/or that one carrier has furloughed pilots as examples of enhanced "career expectations" is nothing more than a red herring.

I appreciate Company loyalty, but to automatically assume that EVERYONE aspires to work for your airline is illogical.

BTW, we've been hearing AA/SWA/DAL rumors for 20 years. Hasn't happened yet. Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I agree that there should be no staple in this instance but SWA people should have a higher ratio of people below us if we are the purchaser.....

Why is that? So you can grab seniority you haven't earned? Who says it will be a purchase and not a merger? Do you deserve unearned seniority in a straight merger?

Or does the simple fact that name of the merged airline alone entitles you to some sort of improved bidding position?

Straight DoH would fix that.

 

[bravodude]

Pay can change overnight. Just look at the UAL pay in 2000.

Career expectations at SW are less at SW than at most airlines. 15-20 years to upgrade according to the computer.

SW may have to give super seniority to FO's at any airline they acquire to account for upgrade expectations.[/QUOTEat SWA]


Its a fifteen year upgrade with 3 year fo's pulling down 140,000 a year.
I guess you are correct it sucks beeing an fo at SWA looking at a twenty year upgrade...whatever will I do.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Pay can change overnight. Just look at the UAL pay in 2000.

Career expectations at SW are less at SW than at most airlines. 15-20 years to upgrade according to the computer.

SW may have to give super seniority to FO's at any airline they acquire to account for upgrade expectations.[/QUOTEat SWA]


Its a fifteen year upgrade with 3 year fo's pulling down 140,000 a year.
I guess you are correct it sucks beeing an fo at SWA looking at a twenty year upgrade...whatever will I do.

You are naive to think SWA can't become one of the worst airlines to work for in a few years.

 

[RedDogC130]

You are naive to think SWA can't become one of the worst airlines to work for in a few years.

your right we can...but hopefully we have learned from others mistakes....rjs for code-share...pay cut just to furlough anyway....Rjs for more $$$.....The legacies made the bed....we just don't want to sleep in it.

 

[GuppyWN]

your right we can...but hopefully we have learned from others mistakes....rjs for code-share...pay cut just to furlough anyway....Rjs for more $$$.....The legacies made the bed....we just don't want to sleep in it.

I'd like to agree with you Dog. Some of the crap coming out of Dallas the past couple does kinda make me wonder though.

Gup

 

[XR650R]

I think if SWA wanted the Alaska Air Group, Horizon would be included. Since both Alaska and Horizon fall under the same corporate umbrella, it would be logical to merge those two lists first, with Q400 pay( RJs still leaving?) and seat locks. Then you would merge that combined list with SWA's, based on DOH at an appropriate ratio and carry over the seat locks and Q400 pay and of course base fences for 24 months.

 

[CGHercster]

They (ALA MEC) were over there getting tips on how to open a SEA ETOPS base...

 

[jhill]

They (ALA MEC) were over there getting tips on how to open a SEA ETOPS base...

Now that funny right there. I don't care who ya r. They also wanted tips on AT/VNAV

 

[ASADFW7]

I heard they were upset we brought all four Shamu planes to SEA when they unveiled their salmon paint job. You know Killer Whales are still in the water right?

 

[Fubijaakr]

And you know Eskimos hunt and kill whales, right?

 

[NWaviator]

Muck Horizon and their pilots. Then sell to MESA or RAH. OR even, just furlough the rest of them.

Now, I would prefer LUV then HAL over DAL/AMR by far. I say that because if we go to DAL/AMR would want the lowest bidder (Like everymajor). QX would be gone and some low undercutter would take the Q400 and the remaining RJ's, unless we take a paycut and bunch of other BS. The RJ's are still planning on going away in 2012, I believe that LUV scope does not allow RJ's but a small prop so I think that there could be a fit for the merger but as stated above the ALK stock in $37 a share and LUv is around $12 (i think).

my .02

 

[Hamburger]

And you know Eskimos hunt and kill whales, right?

:laugh:


*extra points for getting the punctuation correct.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

but as stated above the ALK stock in $37 a share and LUv is around $12 (i think).

my .02

Who cares what their stock price is. ALK market cap is 1.2 billion and LUV is 8.6 billion. You guys who talk about stocks should really buy a book about the stock market.