Something brewing at Luv?

[RedDogC130]

You are naive to think SWA can't become one of the worst airlines to work for in a few years.

your right we can...but hopefully we have learned from others mistakes....rjs for code-share...pay cut just to furlough anyway....Rjs for more $$$.....The legacies made the bed....we just don't want to sleep in it.

 

[GuppyWN]

your right we can...but hopefully we have learned from others mistakes....rjs for code-share...pay cut just to furlough anyway....Rjs for more $$$.....The legacies made the bed....we just don't want to sleep in it.

I'd like to agree with you Dog. Some of the crap coming out of Dallas the past couple does kinda make me wonder though.

Gup

 

[XR650R]

I think if SWA wanted the Alaska Air Group, Horizon would be included. Since both Alaska and Horizon fall under the same corporate umbrella, it would be logical to merge those two lists first, with Q400 pay( RJs still leaving?) and seat locks. Then you would merge that combined list with SWA's, based on DOH at an appropriate ratio and carry over the seat locks and Q400 pay and of course base fences for 24 months.

 

[CGHercster]

They (ALA MEC) were over there getting tips on how to open a SEA ETOPS base...

 

[jhill]

They (ALA MEC) were over there getting tips on how to open a SEA ETOPS base...

Now that funny right there. I don't care who ya r. They also wanted tips on AT/VNAV

 

[ASADFW7]

I heard they were upset we brought all four Shamu planes to SEA when they unveiled their salmon paint job. You know Killer Whales are still in the water right?

 

[Fubijaakr]

And you know Eskimos hunt and kill whales, right?

 

[NWaviator]

Muck Horizon and their pilots. Then sell to MESA or RAH. OR even, just furlough the rest of them.

Now, I would prefer LUV then HAL over DAL/AMR by far. I say that because if we go to DAL/AMR would want the lowest bidder (Like everymajor). QX would be gone and some low undercutter would take the Q400 and the remaining RJ's, unless we take a paycut and bunch of other BS. The RJ's are still planning on going away in 2012, I believe that LUV scope does not allow RJ's but a small prop so I think that there could be a fit for the merger but as stated above the ALK stock in $37 a share and LUv is around $12 (i think).

my .02

 

[Hamburger]

And you know Eskimos hunt and kill whales, right?

:laugh:


*extra points for getting the punctuation correct.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

but as stated above the ALK stock in $37 a share and LUv is around $12 (i think).

my .02

Who cares what their stock price is. ALK market cap is 1.2 billion and LUV is 8.6 billion. You guys who talk about stocks should really buy a book about the stock market.

 

[airlinepilot]

Question for the Alaska guys and gals. How many pilots do you have and how many are on the street? How many airplanes do you have. How many dom's do you have?

 

[Fubijaakr]

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/alaska.html

 

[Max Powers]

Fubar,

I do not think a staple is appropriate in the case we are talking about.

However I have to call you out on what career expectations mean. If a pilot at brand X may end up on a 747, while a SWA pilot may end up on a 737 does that mean he has a better career expectation? What if the 737 pilot makes 80K more than the 747 pilot. Equipment type makes very little difference in this case, we work for pay. While I realize at most airlines bigger equipment is more pay I think career expectations are a much more complicated thing to define than equipment type. People used this argument to say that if we bought Sun Country those pilots have the same career expectation as SWA pilots because we fly the same equipment. I don't mean to be argumentative, but I see this "logic" on this board a lot and want to point out the problem with it.

Alaska is a much different deal, they really do have a much more comparable career to SWA pilots and I doubt anyone seriously thinks a staple would be appropriate. Not that it really matters, I think this rumor is BS.

SWA pay is good but won't go much higher in upcoming contracts. ALK is set to make a profit of 3-4 dollars per a share, for their size they are much more profitable and make a much higher revenue per seat mile. Market cap at ALK is over a billion which is very good for a company their size. You may ask what does this mean long term?.....It means they will eventually catch up to or surpass SWA in pay. I think in ALK's most recent contract they got a 20-30 percent raise, this did not happen at SWA.

 

[airlinepilot]

Even with there increase in pay I make about 30% more after looking at their pay scales

 

[Mea25000]

Yes, but you don't have an A plan. I don't think that closes all the gap but it does a little. My upgrade is about 10 years yours is about 16.