Something brewing at Luv?

[XR650R]

Picked up some chatter on other boards about the Alaska MEC at SWAPA HQ last week. What's up?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What do you think? Someone is going to buy AS. If DAL has not already done it, AMR and WN will be fighting for it.

Also maybe WN will code with a Legacy shortly. Lots is going to happen, the first domino has fallen.

 

[wooferdog]

Most interesting. Would make perfect sense, though. ETOPS, a lock on Seattle and the Pacific Northwest, -900s; what's more to want?

Don't Alaska's pax expect a little more than peanuts, though?

 

[kwick]

Good luck with trying that staple.

Has SW learned yet that nobody is going to take those terms?

 

[wooferdog]

Good luck with trying that staple.

Has SW learned yet that nobody is going to take those terms?

Yeah, I think the stapler would not work in this deal.

 

[av8tor76]

What do you think? Someone is going to buy AS. If DAL has not already done it, AMR and WN will be fighting for it.

Also maybe WN will code with a Legacy shortly. Lots is going to happen, the first domino has fallen.

what was the first domino?

 

[boeingdriver213]

Nobody at WN expects to aquire anyone and staple anymore. Wishful thinking for some, but most of us would rather grow and expand without aquiring anyone. I guess there were just enough whiners from the last aquisition that it turned us off to that.

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Also maybe WN will code with a Legacy shortly. Lots is going to happen, the first domino has fallen.

Although not disagreeing with you; I just can't see much hapening with a legacy codeshare. The new CBA prevents any kind of domestic codeshare, any codeshare with regional aircraft (except intra Hawaii and intra Caribbean), and any far international codeshare. The only codeshare allowed is Trans-border (Canada,Mexico, and Caribbean) and cannot exceed more than 4% ASM flown by SWA. The Trans-border segment also has to be from a SWA city in the continental US. I just don't see why a legacy would want to get mixed up with so many restrictions, but never say never...

 

[Fubijaakr]

There's no way anything other than a straight DoH or ratio deal will put an ALK/LUV SLI together. Same equipment, same career expectations, same seniority demographics.

 

[GoodTimes]

Me thinks WN and Alaska would hit some anti-trust snags? Owning the West coast.

 

[Monster Buck]

I think Alaska and Southwest would be a great deal, fingers crossed.

 

[RedDogC130]

funny you mention this...i was talking to someone the other day...nobody important but the AS stuff came out and they were talking about a 5:1 ratio..next thing,what happens to Horizon...they are owned by the holding company right?

 

[RedDogC130]

There's no way anything other than a straight DoH or ratio deal will put an ALK/LUV SLI together. Same equipment, same career expectations, same seniority demographics.

as for same career expectaions...not really....they haved 100+ on furlogh right? their hourly rate is a bit off from ours....how is that the same career expectaion?

 

[Fubijaakr]

The proper mathematical ratio should be 4.07 to one using APC numbers. Horizon and Alaska are separate companies owned by Alaska Air Group. Theoretically, either company could be sold outright leaving the other as a stand-alone entity.

 

[Fubijaakr]

as for same career expectaions...not really....they haved 100+ on furlogh right? their hourly rate is a bit off from ours....how is that the same career expectaion?

Please. Career expectations refer to the equipment you expect to fly at the pinnacle of your career. Pay rates are fluid contract to contract so that certainly doesn't factor in.

Both companies are profitable, so that's a wash.

At this point in time, a pilot at either airline could reasonably expect to end up in the left seat of a 737 flying for a profitable airline. That's as far as Allegheny/Mohawk is going to look.