SLI is out, it looks good for both sides

[flynvixen]

sorry just telling it like it is... airtran guys get a huge raise, and they want the world. swa shouldnt lose, we bought them! not sure why thats so hard to grasp

This is the easiest NO vote I have ever cast ...........GMAFB please

 

[avi8tor007]

To go from 15% at airtran to 52.8% on the master list. Will be sliding backwards as 600 fo's upgrade ahead. The fo's in "our negotiated range" get a 12% increase in senority, I lose over 35%.

Senority is forever, and these facts above aren't pretty.

 

[waveflyer]

"I encourage both sides to vote no"

Same here.

Fredo, Fredo. That's not the biggest surprise. Drag out those alpa dues for your masters. Poison the culture. ALPA will remember your work against swa- you just keep looking out for #1.

 

[texman]

I'd like to see the seniority projections. What # I was going to retire at before and what I will now. The age of the AT group is a sticking point.

As for all the inflammatory statements framing it as unfair in one way or another- this is something where we all have to look at how our lives will be impacted and not end up as polarized as Washington politics. Militant stances don't work. Period. Calm down, look at everything and how it will effect your life. I'm honestly more concerned about 20 years from now than anything. But completely willing to look at it objectively.

Emotion has no place in this. Look at it objectively, rationally, and respectfully.

Great point. Just through attrition I was in the top .5%.

 

[texman]

OK, smarta$$es... lol

Good one, Arcadia. :beer:

Thanks, PCL.

Congrats!

 

[waveflyer]

Hey Lear-
+1 congrats as well.
Salute

 

[scoreboardII]

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[scoreboardII]

No signing bonus??

What about the $$ talk floating around for releasing our domestic codeshare?
Nothing? That can't be right. I'd heard $10k on the low end and as much as $30k on the high.

are you a 4 digit wave?

 

[PapaWoody]

My advice to the AirTran MEC...send it out for a vote. Give it a +- or neutral recommendation, but send it out. Quite frankly, if you don't, you will be second guessed and/or sued for not doing so. Look at the Frontier MEC, who quite obviously let their love of their CA seats/seniority lead the whole group down the path to oblivion/regional existence. Don't be that group. Your pilots want a choice here. Give it to them. If the majority votes to accept or reject this, it is by definition the choice of the group. If you vote to reject it, you will always be second-guessed for that choice...especially if that choice leads to the "nuclear option". I have never been one to advocate or proffer that option as realistic...however, GK himself put it in play 2 weeks ago. Something your membership should know, as you have been briefed on it. No one wants that. Just realistic expectations across the board. And yes, that includes our F/O's realistically understanding that your CA's keeping their seats was almost a certainty and they should get over it and look at the positives of this deal.

As for the 650 AT F/Os being stapled...well, considering that staple comes with the equivalent or better than an AT CA upgrade, then cry me a river. In one fell swoop, all AT F/Os will "upgrade" and realize their career expectations (except for that whole "window" thing). The rest is just gravy. Of course if someone put a gun to my head and offered me $1.5 million dollars I'd balk too, but I'm ornery and antisocial. My avatar should have clued you in on that, methinks.

Fraternally and Respectfully,
PapaWoody

 

[Cometman]

I haven't talked to too many AirTran captains who I would consider "happy" about this.

Are you happy? Where on the list would you be? Remember, you have to go back to flying the line.

 

[Britpilot]

Agreed. We elect these people to not only act like leaders, but to actually be leaders. Passing on your responsibilities to your constituents is wrong. A governing body should never be a rubber stamp.

Oh so now you want them to act as leaders?
They never have and never will. They don't know the meaning of the word.

 

[SkiFishFly]

This is far too important. If the ATN MEC doesn't like it, they send it to a vote with a no recommendation.
If our pilots all vote it down then we might have some leverage (ha ha right). If the MEC turns it down for us, that aint gonna be pretty on a whole bunch of levels.

 

[chrayo]

I smell a massive recall coming if these ****************************** bags in our MEC do not send this out.

 

[airlinepilot]

This is far too important. If the ATN MEC doesn't like it, they send it to a vote with a no recommendation.
If our pilots all vote it down then we might have some leverage (ha ha right). If the MEC turns it down for us, that aint gonna be pretty on a whole bunch of levels.

They can always send it to the membership with a yea or nay recommendation. Nothing to loose by letting everyone vote.

 

[Data]

OMG this is a horrible proposition. AT FOs can't upgrade before any SWA FOs? Say what? If I had a vote, and I'm glad I do not, I would vote this turd down and consider arbitration. GK wants this done, and binding arbitration sounds like a good way to get a fair deal. And recall those AT negotiators.


OYS

Of course you'd say vote it down, who wants most of the Airtran FOs to make more than the Delta captains! And, oh the irony, now every Airtran captain will make more than Delta captains flying 777s to Europe and Asia. Yeah, I'd get on here too if I was a Delta pilot and rail against this deal. No way I'd want to walk around ATL knowing that the former Airtran 3 stripper is making more than a bunch of the Delta 4 strippers...

 

[SkiFishFly]

I think the Delta pilots know this is merger is good for their next round of contract talks. Management will no longer be able to lay AAI pay rates on the table as a comparison.

 

[SkiFishFly]

Any bets as to when the Airtran Pilots forum comes back? I'm guessing not until after our MEC meets in secret so that arms can be twisted to try to prevent a vote of the pilot group.

OBTW - Swapaluv.com has senority list and agreement side letter.

 

[iflyhigh72]

Of course you'd say vote it down, who wants most of the Airtran FOs to make more than the Delta captains! And, oh the irony, now every Airtran captain will make more than Delta captains flying 777s to Europe and Asia. Yeah, I'd get on here too if I was a Delta pilot and rail against this deal. No way I'd want to walk around ATL knowing that the former Airtran 3 stripper is making more than a bunch of the Delta 4 strippers...

I'll take Delta then. 4 strippers are always better than 3. Remember to tip.

 

[dalad]

Wow, this is a as close to a staple as you can get. If this is approved by the AT MEC I see another lawsuit as per TWA.

 

[dalad]

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I'll take Delta then. 4 strippers are always better than 3. Remember to tip.

Especially in Sao Paolo!!!