SLI is out, it looks good for both sides

[On Your Six]

And not one WN bro can utilize that "bump" until 2020!

This ought to pass Airtran with 99%! I'd say 100% but I know Kwick aint gonna be happy.

Gup

OMG this is a horrible proposition. AT FOs can't upgrade before any SWA FOs? Say what? If I had a vote, and I'm glad I do not, I would vote this turd down and consider arbitration. GK wants this done, and binding arbitration sounds like a good way to get a fair deal. And recall those AT negotiators.


OYS

 

[ATLplt]

The deal is a joke. I mean no harm to any Airtran Pilot, honestly. But, this deal is a thousand miles from FAIR and EQUITABLE.

Bless your heart Big Time,

You're right. Stapling guys with 6 years at AT behind 08 hires at SWA is a complete injustice to your pilot group. Oh, and those young, 8-9yr 717 Capt's that hold the seat against your 01 hires, but will forever be on reserve...and are slotted in with your 05-07 hires? That's ridiculous! Vote NO with pride! Grow a pair, and show your management who's boss. imp:

 

[On Your Six]

Bless your heart Big Time,

You're right. Stapling guys with 6 years at AT behind 08 hires at SWA is a complete injustice to your pilot group. Oh, and those young, 8-9yr 717 Capt's that hold the seat against your 01 hires, but will forever be on reserve...and are slotted in with your 05-07 hires? That's ridiculous! Vote NO with pride! Grow a pair, and show your management who's boss. imp:

You are actually correct. An arbitrated award would be binding, and we know GK wants this deal, because he has already coordinated flight schedules. Any possible arbitrated award could be better for both captains and FOs. You AT pilots may want to consider a different path, like arbitration.


OYS

 

[Big Time]

Bless your heart Big Time,

You're right. Stapling guys with 6 years at AT behind 08 hires at SWA is a complete injustice to your pilot group. Oh, and those young, 8-9yr 717 Capt's that hold the seat against your 01 hires, but will forever be on reserve...and are slotted in with your 05-07 hires? That's ridiculous! Vote NO with pride! Grow a pair, and show your management who's boss. imp:

I wasnt trying to be a smart ass ATLplt. I was being sincere. Quote the rest of my post. IF YOUR AN AIRTRAN PILOT, YOU EXCEED YOUR CAREER FINANCIAL EXPECTATIONS...even as a SWA First Officer. I could give a sh#t less about the ego trip from sitting in the left seat....which I dont.

 

[johnsonrod]

This plan does not sound good to me. It sounds like a "divide and conquer" plan. Get all of the AirTran Captains happy and who cares about the FOs - especially the senior FOs who should upgrade before the most junior SWA pilots. As long as the Captains vote yes, things will work out...

Sounds like another Frontier "take this and be super thankful" offer. If I were voting, I would vote NO and wait for arbitration.

 

[N1kawotg]

A new upgraded aai capt makes less than Swa fo with lower qol issues. So money or seat, it's always about money

 

[Big Time]

A new upgraded aai capt makes less than Swa fo with lower qol issues. So money or seat, it's always about money

Finally !!! Somebody gets it!!!

 

[dicko]

IF YOUR AN AIRTRAN PILOT, YOU EXCEED YOUR CAREER FINANCIAL EXPECTATIONS..

When you say we'd "exceed our financial career expectations", you're assuming that AirTran pilots compensation would never go up . You're assuming our pay would never rise and SWA would never fall.

There isn't a single airline that is on top today, that was on top 20 years ago.

Food for thought. My crystal ball broke long ago.

 

[PCL_128]

Get all of the AirTran Captains happy...

I haven't talked to too many AirTran captains who I would consider "happy" about this.

 

[ATLplt]

I wasnt trying to be a smart ass ATLplt. I was being sincere. Quote the rest of my post. IF YOUR AN AIRTRAN PILOT, YOU EXCEED YOUR CAREER FINANCIAL EXPECTATIONS...even as a SWA First Officer. I could give a sh#t less about the ego trip from sitting in the left seat....which I dont.

Dude, stop yelling. My career financial expectations were not my number one priority. If they were I would've applied at Fed-Ex or UPS. I didn't, and therefore thought QOL from being a more senior pilot in a faster manner was more desirable. Yay, I make a whopping $30k extra a year to be at the very bottom of the list. Not to mention, I see no other gains (QOL) until I'm on the SWA side of the things. That could take up to 30 more months. Another few years after that and my aircraft type starts leaving the property as leases expire. Now I'm forced into "general population" with only my seniority number dictating my vacation, bidding power (ie. weekend trips for the next 20 years), and base. Unless we grow...A LOT, I'm hosed till 2025+.

 

[ATLplt]

When you say we'd "exceed our financial career expectations", you're assuming that AirTran pilots compensation would never go up . You're assuming our pay would never rise and SWA would never fall.

There isn't a single airline that is on top today, that was on top 20 years ago.

Food for thought. My crystal ball broke long ago.

Exactly.

 

[waveflyer]

No signing bonus??

What about the $$ talk floating around for releasing our domestic codeshare?
Nothing? That can't be right. I'd heard $10k on the low end and as much as $30k on the high.

 

[Big Time]

When you say we'd "exceed our financial career expectations", you're assuming that AirTran pilots compensation would never go up . You're assuming our pay would never rise and SWA would never fall.

There isn't a single airline that is on top today, that was on top 20 years ago.

Food for thought. My crystal ball broke long ago.

i guess youre right. I didnt consider those possibilities. Ill call Ms. Cleo and se what she says.

 

[bladeusa]

i encourage both sides to vote no!

 

[PCL_128]

i encourage both sides to vote no!

Same here.