Skywest to Aspen

[BoilerUP]

<smacking head>

I knew about the "one way" thing there....definitely a case of "information not used". Thanks for reminding me!

I do remember the old AWAC 146 pilots I flew with talking about how much they hated the balked procedure, even in the BAC-jet.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Walter.. the windshear training there sucks.. I wasn't in any way calling out your flying skills when I said the V1 cut was easy..

cale

Dude, I'm a desk jockey...no offense taken (especially considering the fact that my flying skills are non-existent).

 

[RJLoser]

I agree. ASE is not bad. Balked landing is bad juju though.

 

[General Lee]

Sounds like those SKW pilots have more "experience" than mainline pilots flying between LAX and JFK..........


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Sounds like those SKW pilots have more "experience" than mainline pilots flying between LAX and JFK..........


Bye Bye---General Lee

You bet! Those SKW pilots are the best in the industry....in fact 9 out of 10 of them beat Thunderbird pilots in dogfighting....in the E120!

I seent it!

 

[Ridgeback]

ONCE AGIAN!! The problem.

You must think about the radius of a turn. The faster the speed, in this case V2, the larger the radius...the larger the radius the greater the chance of hitting the rocks. That's part of the reason the Dash8's and Avro's were better aircraft in there. Low v2 speeds small radius. CR7's E-jets...lots of swept back wing need lot's of V2 speed.

 

[MYFpilot]

Sounds like those SKW pilots have more "experience" than mainline pilots flying between LAX and JFK..........


Bye Bye---General Lee

Only the Brasilia ones.

 

[Jet_Dreamer]

'Extraction Procedure'

skywest proud? dork!

 

[CFIT]

In the CRJ 700 any Descent below MDA and past SENOW, LOC DME 15, requires the Emergency Extraction Procedure. It's not really that bad, it's that it just have all the clear way allowances of a normal missed approach. Single engine and 2 engine extractions are flown at V2, both left turns to a heading of 275 degrees (in the bowl), the single engine at 25 degrees of bank, the 2 engine at 28 degrees.

I helped with the test flying of the procedures and did a balked close to the runway, simulated single engine with the remaining engine at only climb thrust, to approximate heavier aircraft performance. Went over to far end chair lift about 100' agl, and over the town about 700' agl at times, suprised it didn't end up on YouTube.

Also landed twice on 33, not a great idea, it was cut from the program.

I know some of you will call BS, but the program has worked well.....

 

[SkyNation]

skywest proud? dork!

the only thing funnier than a tongue in cheek reference meant to reference an oft held stereotype, is having to explain it to a dumb-ass tool.


it's called SARCASM-DEWSH!!!!!!!

 

[dojetdriver]

TAKEOFF WEIGHTS FOR RWY 33DP REQUIRE *
* USE OF MODIFIED PUBLISHED -LINDZ- AND *
* -SARDD- DEPARTURE PROCEDURES. *
* *
* MAKE AN IMMEDIATE 15 DEGREE BANKED CLIMBING *
* -RIGHT- TURN TO A HEADING OF 340 DEGREES. *
* *
* *
* AT 10.3 DME SOUTH OF DBL VOR (DBL R-165/D10.3) *
* TURN -LEFT- TO A HEADING OF 270 DEGREES. *
* *
* *
* INTERCEPT THE IPKN LDA NORTHWEST COURSE *
* (OUTBOUND ON BACKCOURSE - IPKN 300/D15.0) *
* DIRECT LINDZ INTXN (DBL VOR 244/13.0). *
* *
* *
* CLIMB IN HOLDING PATTERN AT LINDZ INTXN. *
* (WEST, LEFT TURNS, 064 INBOUND).*

You should have seen the 13+ pages of 10-7's for XJT's RNO stuff. Pretty similar to the above. And why, who the hell knows. Never understood why tracking the LOC south wasn't an option. Our current set of 10-7's goes from 10-7 thru 10-7U.

You must think about the radius of a turn. The faster the speed, in this case V2, the larger the radius...the larger the radius the greater the chance of hitting the rocks. That's part of the reason the Dash8's and Avro's were better aircraft in there. Low v2 speeds small radius. CR7's E-jets...lots of swept back wing need lot's of V2 speed.

All joking aside about the AVRO, the fact that if you're engine out, you STILL have 3 out of 4 motors turning.

Why does the BAC/AVRO have 4 engines? Because they couldn't fit 6. Hardy har har.

 

[CA1900]

Only airplane ever built with 5 APUs... :laugh:

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Only airplane ever built with 5 APUs... :laugh:

True but man was it a comfortable airplane for everyone involved. Beats the crud out of a CRJ in every way except top speed when doing a CDO trip.

 

[Anonymous2]

The Avro/BAe was definitely a great little plane. They were "real" planes. (Then again I think all old planes were "real" planes). Much nicer than the crj's, erj's (& yes, erj's does include the e-jets too). Its sad that the beautiful design isn't around (in the U.S.) much anymore. Has anyone seen what the AN-148 looks like? I think that is a sweet looking bird.

 

[rice]

ONCE AGIAN!! The problem.

You must think about the radius of a turn. The faster the speed, in this case V2, the larger the radius...the larger the radius the greater the chance of hitting the rocks. That's part of the reason the Dash8's and Avro's were better aircraft in there. Low v2 speeds small radius. CR7's E-jets...lots of swept back wing need lot's of V2 speed.

Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!!!!!!!!!
I've been doing the KASE SAAAR approaches for the past 7 years. Radius of turn is in fact one of the two most critical factors (OEI climb being the other) for these approaches.
In the Falcon we typically arrive with a Vref of 110 kts, so our balked landing climb speed could be as little as 120kts. We've plotted a 140kt radius of turn at 30 deg AOB and it keeps us clear of all the rocks and also puts us overhead the airport at 11,000' msl.
Now where it gets really dicey is when the ceiling is 1200' and the temp is +10 or colder. Having the heats on and losing an engine on the balked landing requires nothing short of your "A Game".