Skywest talking pilot pay raise

[bayoubandit]

He knew the cards were coming out before he agreed to the meeting. What do you think lit the fire under his ass to begin with. The union polling. It's the SSDD with them. Hasn't anyone learned from the past. He looks like the good guy while they try to make us look like the greedy ones. Just wait until the propaganda hits and they pit the other employee groups against the pilots.

It's going to take a lot longer than a week to hear anything anyways. We'll be lucky to hear anything in a couple of months.

 

[Peter Sashell]

Do you think the alpa Guy's called up brad and said "Hey Brad time to come to the table, it's looking good for avote soon" Both sides will spin it just as everyone has come to expect it to be spun.

 

[doug_or]

webster:a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) :

Pretty sure thats a refrence to workers who refuse to join a union @ a company that HAS a union.

Are all Walmart employees scabs? Does someone who gets a job @ Skywesy become a scab the second they show up to class? If yes, then "scab" seems like a pretty empty word.

 

[FlySacto]

Man there are going to be lots of responses here.


Skywest does not have a union and therefore they dont HAVE A CONTRACT. Go fly a kite you have no idea what you're talking about.



Maybe you should educate yourself first. The following is the definition from several dictionaries;

webster:a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

Dictionary.com: a worker who refuses to join a labor union or to participate in a union strike, who takes a striking worker's place on the job, or the like.

I hate to say it guy, but perhaps you need to brush up on that whole reading comprehension thing. Your correct in the facts that we don't have a contract or a union. If you reread what your took so much effort to hunt down to cut and paste into your post you would see that "scab" would not apply to the pilots at SkyWest. Give us some time and maybe we'll be able to put union bumperstickers on our pick-ups and enjoy those benefits you've fought for all those years as a union pilot. Don't cheapen a word meant to describe your co-workers who undercut your right to strike or walk into your crewroom to fly your trip. Using your logic I guess we should call all those "suknblow" guys flying RJ's across the country "scabs" for taking away flying from the mainline jobs that we would have had at three (now twice) the pay. My bad, I guess that's already been done.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Looks like no raise. Word is cards are going out, so Brad will now be unable to even ofer any thing. IE. cant try to influence the vote by ofering a raise. It would have been nice to give him at least a week to see if they realy were going to come through with enough to cover dues.

and you don't think that was part of their plan all along? Just like the last drive, and the drive before that????

 

[SkyNation]

Gr82,

I have a serious question for you. When you look at what is going on at ASA and what has/will soon go on at Comair, is it attractive to you? Do you say 'man, I wish we had that at SkyWest!'?

honest question.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Gr82,

I have a serious question for you. When you look at what is going on at ASA and what has/will soon go on at Comair, is it attractive to you? Do you say 'man, I wish we had that at SkyWest!'?

honest question.

The question is irrelevant, like apples to oranges. How can you compare companies that first were wholly owned subsidiaries, secondly they are very poorly managed. I guess if thats how you want to look at, look at American Eagle they are ALPA and making money had over fist. I think managment of the company has more to do with it, than whether or not a Union is on property. You shouldnt worry anyways, from what i hear lots of new people coming to skywest from other ALPA carriers dont want anything to do with ALPA. Specifically TSA and Pinnacle.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Gr82,

I have a serious question for you. When you look at what is going on at ASA and what has/will soon go on at Comair, is it attractive to you? Do you say 'man, I wish we had that at SkyWest!'?

honest question.

Skynation do you think management is sincere in coming to the table to talk about pay?

 

[rtmcfi]

Gr82,

I have a serious question for you. When you look at what is going on at ASA and what has/will soon go on at Comair, is it attractive to you? Do you say 'man, I wish we had that at SkyWest!'?

honest question.

Substitute FEDEX and UPS for ASA and Comair. The comparison is just as (in)valid...

 

[regionaltard]

Gr82,

I have a serious question for you. When you look at what is going on at ASA and what has/will soon go on at Comair, is it attractive to you? Do you say 'man, I wish we had that at SkyWest!'?

honest question.

You're kidding, right? If it weren't for the whipsaw value of pilots willing to grab their collective ankles and, for example, fly 90 seat jets for 50 seat wages (and historically low ones at that) because they really don't have a say in the matter anyhow, an awful lot of what's happening today at the airlines you mentioned wouldn't be happening. You seem to see a difference between saying "we'll do it for less" and being told "because they'll do it for less, you'll do it for less." That distinction escapes me.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

I'd hardly call getting reflowed during the course of a trip (within the bounds of the original trip schedule), junior manned--or even close. JRM is on days off; nice try with a weak point.

 

[imacdog]

Gr82,

I have a serious question for you. When you look at what is going on at ASA and what has/will soon go on at Comair, is it attractive to you? Do you say 'man, I wish we had that at SkyWest!'?

honest question.

One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other, and you should know that. Comair was dragged into bankruptcy because we were owned by Delta at the time of filing. Without ALPA, the company would have imposed whatever it wanted as soon as it felt like it. ASA is losing 70 seat aircraft partially because Skywest pilots fly them for cheaper, something that could have been avoided had you guys had real representation. It amazes me to think that some people really believe that pilots at companies going through hard times are in that situation because they have a union.

 

[rtmcfi]

I'd hardly call getting reflowed during the course of a trip (within the bounds of the original trip schedule), junior manned--or even close. JRM is on days off; nice try with a weak point.

Can SkyWest extend your trip past it's original release time? If so, will you be paid 150% for it?

 

[SkyNation]

Substitute FEDEX and UPS for ASA and Comair. The comparison is just as (in)valid...

no, FedEx and UPS are not DCI regional carriers.

I appreciate the well thought out replies.

 

[SkyNation]

I think managment of the company has more to do with it, than whether or not a Union is on property.

I would tend to agree with that. However do you think having ALPA at SkyWest would

1-Allow our management to remain as successful as they have been in running the airline in a way that keeps is growing, keeps attracting people from other airlines to come here, keeps a pilots' total pay near or above the rest of the industry?

2-Would they be more successful at it?

3-Would they become less successful at it?

4-Would it have no effect on it?

 

[imacdog]

If your management is good then it will have no effect on your company's future. Remember, ALPA is there to protect the working conditions and conpensation for pilots. However, if you don't want to improve your working conditions and pay for fear that your company will be less successful, then welcome to the race to the bottom.

 

[www.]

I would tend to agree with that. However do you think having ALPA at SkyWest would

1-Allow our management to remain as successful as they have been in running the airline in a way that keeps is growing, keeps attracting people from other airlines to come here, keeps a pilots' total pay near or above the rest of the industry?

2-Would they be more successful at it?

3-Would they become less successful at it?

4-Would it have no effect on it?

And 5. Would protect the current items that the Skywest pilots have, pay, sch, benfits etc.., against someone arbitrarily removing them.

 

[Ponchus pilot]

I'd hardly call getting reflowed during the course of a trip (within the bounds of the original trip schedule), junior manned--or even close. JRM is on days off; nice try with a weak point.

You know very well that this is not how it happens. The Mesa guys just won an arbritration and they are entitled to the pay.

Are all Walmart employees scabs? Does someone who gets a job @ Skywesy become a scab the second they show up to class? If yes, then "scab" seems like a pretty empty word.

No, only the ones that refuse join (vote). I would not compare yourself to Walmart employee's even though some regionals are on the same level.

i hear lots of new people coming to skywest from other ALPA carriers dont want anything to do with ALPA. Specifically TSA and Pinnacle.

Then they are just as ignorant about unions as most. First, you have to compare apples for apples. You can not compare TSA to Skywest, commutair would be a better comparison. Second, each union negotiates and gets what it wants, they got what they could juts like when they got he job it was the only job they could get. If you vote for a union its you that negotiates a contract not ALPA national. They will give you the resources like attorneys and financial analysts etc... So if you hear people whine about ALPA its not that there is a problem with ALPA, its beacause they suck. All they have to do is to take a look in the mirror.

 

[rtmcfi]

no, FedEx and UPS are not DCI regional carriers.

I appreciate the well thought out replies.

Sorry, It appeared to me that this thread had morphed into a SkyWest union pro/con argument. I thought you were infering that ASA's and Comairs woes were due to their union status. I was trying to point out that not all union carriers are doing so bad.

 

[bmpilot2003]

I would tend to agree with that. However do you think having ALPA at SkyWest would

1-Allow our management to remain as successful as they have been in running the airline in a way that keeps is growing, keeps attracting people from other airlines to come here, keeps a pilots' total pay near or above the rest of the industry?

2-Would they be more successful at it?

3-Would they become less successful at it?

4-Would it have no effect on it?

You didnt answer my question. Do you think management is sincere in coming to the table to talk about our pay?

Secondly, a union ANY union whether it be ALPA or In-house would continue to allow a company to be successfull, if a GOOD management team is in place. It also would make the campany more successfull if the company continued to grow and remain profitable with a union on property.