Skywest New Pay Proposal........nice Slap In The Face.......lets Flush It Down!!!

[rtmcfi]

COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!!!!

Are you satisfied with your current representation? How will you vote on the new pay agreement?

 

[pipers]

HALO_BRO DRIVER....

You need to watch the "R" word man. People are offended by your use of it. Dont be shocked to find yourself in the penalty box or completely banned from these forums. Clean it up.

and 'pinkbush' isn't offensive to some people?

 

[amcnd]

If SkyWest votes YES to ALPA. They are also voting Yes to DOH with ASA..

 

[mckpickle]

If SkyWest votes YES to ALPA. They are also voting Yes to DOH with ASA..

NO NO NO!!! You have no scope clause so Skywest holdings can operate two entirely separate companies. You'll be whipshawed to death but will not be combined.

Good luck. Go union.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

If SkyWest votes YES to ALPA. They are also voting Yes to DOH with ASA..

Hey Primate breath,
By the way, nice company id photo. If SKYW pilots choose ALPA it would be a vote for ALPA mediated merger if that were to happen. You really should research before posting, that's what the opposable thumbs are for. I know you thought those thumbs were for sticking in your butt, thats just a side benefit.
PBR

 

[21stDustDevil]

Teamsters -vs- ALPA

Holy....what a slap in the face Bam y'all need to get a union and I mean right quick hopefully all your newbie kool-aid drinkers will vote it in.

Well, for once in my lifetime, I would hope to see all you young pilots please pick carefully. ALPA certainly hasn't done anything for anyone as far as I have been around. Just look at what they did to TWA! Why do you think MESA is at the bottom! How about Eagle with a 16 year contract and flowbacks that screw everyone below them! And most recently, they just left Trans States to dogs too! ALPA seems to be about quantity over quality. Membership over protections. Not good. Teamsters, on the other hand, seem to be a good bet. They approach everything just the opposite of ALPA. No under the table sweetheart deals with management. They have the best contracts in the regional industry, Horizon being the lead. NetJets isn't bad either. Chatauqua has great bennies, even though the pay could be better. Even with the bennies, it puts their contract up there with the above average contracts. I would challenge everyone to take a good look at the Teamsters. If you think they are no better than ALPA, I would think that you would find that they were at least the better of two evils. Let's see who will be next...

 

[pinkbush]

Well, for once in my lifetime, I would hope to see all you young pilots please pick carefully. ALPA certainly hasn't done anything for anyone as far as I have been around. Just look at what they did to TWA! Why do you think MESA is at the bottom! How about Eagle with a 16 year contract and flowbacks that screw everyone below them! And most recently, they just left Trans States to dogs too! ALPA seems to be about quantity over quality. Membership over protections. Not good. Teamsters, on the other hand, seem to be a good bet. They approach everything just the opposite of ALPA. No under the table sweetheart deals with management. They have the best contracts in the regional industry, Horizon being the lead. NetJets isn't bad either. Chatauqua has great bennies, even though the pay could be better. Even with the bennies, it puts their contract up there with the above average contracts. I would challenge everyone to take a good look at the Teamsters. If you think they are no better than ALPA, I would think that you would find that they were at least the better of two evils. Let's see who will be next...

Focus everyone (SKW), this is an intelligent statement. Look around you and watch the destruction of ALPA. I believe in representation, but dont dig your own grave as many have done in the past. SKW is a great company only to be ruined for all if ALPA is voted in. The results of ALPA are all around you. Do you want a lifestyle like that?

 

[rtmcfi]

Has anyone here worked with both teamsters and alpa? Please chime in with what you saw as the differences between the two. I would really like to hear from someone who volunteered with both groups, thereby seeing wich national level organization was the best for a regional level pilot.
The end results of the contract have more to do with your local representation, than with your national affiliation. It is pretty easy to look up the results of the CBA's. Horizons pay scales may be a result of a strong local that got good results despite their national support. The same could be said for Air Wisconsin's last good contract. I think it is too simplistic to point to a couple of contracts and say with any certainty which union is better. So, if any of you have worked with both unions, and had first hand interaction with both, I would love to hear your comments. Were both national level groups supportive? Any concerns with either group?

 

[DrewBlows]

Deleted. I was suckered into responding to flame bait.

 

[Shobra]

Don't forget that new hires are now getting paid while in training. How about some retro pay for those of you that had to suffer through training for a couple of months with Zero income? How's that make you feel? I don't think it would be warm and fuzzy? How about you go buy your own Jepps huh that's a good one.

 

[viper548]

Don't forget that new hires are now getting paid while in training. How about some retro pay for those of you that had to suffer through training for a couple of months with Zero income? How's that make you feel? I don't think it would be warm and fuzzy? How about you go buy your own Jepps huh that's a good one.

I agree

 

[Bluto]

The success of the Teamsters at the companies mentioned above just confirms the relative unimportance of a national union's "agenda" when it comes to choosing representation at a local level. To paraphrase some of the anti-ALPA folks out there, "Do you think Teamster's National cares about the regional guys?!" Obviously, it doesn't really matter if they do. The question for me is, how good is the national support when it comes to aviation-specific member issues (FAA vioalations, age-60 rule, etc.) Do the teamsters have accident investigators and will they be a party to an NTSB investigation? I'd like to think that my union dues were going towards improving things for my industry like updated crew rest requirements, regulation of cabotage, etc.

 

[ArcticFlier]

As far as MELIT/FIXIT...............try ignoring the pudknocker(s)......


AF

 

[pinkbush]

Do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

What you dont realize BLOWDREW is that I'm in here watching what is said about a certain company. As a data base is compiled of certain employees who's usernames are attatched to their real names is being built, they continue to destroy thier image, character, and employment. Thanks for asking though my friend.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

PinkTard

HALO_BRO DRIVER....

You need to watch the "R" word man. People are offended by your use of it. Dont be shocked to find yourself in the penalty box or completely banned from these forums. Clean it up.

Are you a moderator PInkwinkBushy?
Please don't make a list lmao!

Your a loser with no back-up

Just vote no and your SAPA position will forever be lost.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

DB
Minus some of the obvious exagerations of the post, there is some truth to his characterizations. You're not the only one who knows DA, DL and DC

Russ,

I was only commenting about D.A.

I have no comment about the way DL or DC were characterized in the quoted post.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Like to play both sides of the fence do you Dave (point out the conflict of interest and loyalties of D.C's Chief Pilot quest on the Sapa site then try to smooth things over by indicating here he really is a swell guy).[QUOTE]

If you read my post you would see that I made no mention of DC or DL. I only talked about DA.

 

[Bluto]

What you dont realize...is that I'm in here watching what is said about a certain company. As a data base is compiled of certain employees who's usernames are attatched to their real names is being built, they continue to destroy thier image, character, and employment.

So you're here as a spy for the company to weed out any potentially disloyal pilots from becoming check-airmen, or something? Are you going to get them fired for expressing their opinion? Wow. Great plan. I think your only mistake was telling us about it...

 

[RoyalAviation2]

skywest.alpa.org

 

[Smoked Toilet]

hijacked - deleted.. sorry guys.

 

[Rogue5]

We must remember that even if you have issues with potential union membership, a vote against this "TA" is completely separate from a union vote.

The fact that this agreement has no termination date should be grounds for immediate dismissal.

We can debate the union at a later time...

 

[viper548]

The sticking points for me are
-no end date
-no retro pay
-CL-65 includes the -900

 

[Smoked Toilet]

hijacked - deleted


sorry guys

 

[~~~^~~~]

Jerry Atkin met some of ASA's employees yesterday in ATL. He used the phrase "CRJ 700 or 900 configured with 70 seats" a couple of times. Much seems to depend on what Delta wants - Delta is our customer.

Also, although it has not been confirmed, my understanding is the current concourse C rennovation plan in Atlanta does not have the space for the -900, it is too long an airplane.

At the same time Delta's proposed mainline payrates are hugely concessionary and currently give them the pole position on the ALPA sponsored Race to the Bottom. You can expect the Delta offer to be ratified with minor changes.

As is usually the case, the Delta boys swallow whatever comes their way and they do 180 degree turns faster than Mexican jumping beans on caffeinated crack. (Just a weeks ago the Jet Blue pilots were ruining the industry, now....)

Comair management, Fred Buttrell, is quoted as saying the Q400 is in play for United flying out West. Jerry Atkin did not mention it even though several questions might have brought that response if SkyWest were looking at the idea of bringing on another fleet type.

 

[Ben Dover]

Some have advocated voting yes (take what you can), then vote the union in later to get more. So.... Just a question for ya.

If this thing has NO expiration date and it is voted it, then it becomes part of the policy manual. When you vote-in a union in a few months then the current policy manual becomes the initial contract. So the question is, when do you start negotiating a better deal, now that you've handed management a legal/binding contract for life?

The ultimate power of the union is the legal ability to strike (provided you follow the proper steps). Will the NMB release you to strike if you have a legal contract that has no amendable date? Just wondering???

 

[viper548]

Viper-
Jerry has already said he doesn't want the CRJ-900. This is not a big issue at this company. Why would someone buy the 900 now, with the E-jet's coming out? I really think that this is the way the pay scales will go at airlines in the future. A CL-65 rate gives management more flexibility, but remember it also gives the pilots flexibility in terms of picking trips up. With the ability to fly both the 50 and the 70 this month, I credit 126 hours. Not bad if you ask me. It would be a pay cut for me to have split rates and not be able to help other pilots out and pick up their trips. I wouldn't sweat the 900, now the EMB-120 scale is a good thing. Think Q400's....

If they don't want the 900 then they should have no problem changing CL-65 to CRJ-200/700

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I can't believe how many people still make the fundamental mistake of equating the almighty "ALPA National" with individual contracts. If you are unhappy with a carrier's CBA, place your blame where it belongs...with that carrier's MEC as well as its pilot group for ratifying it. ALPA National doesn't come in on a white horse and "right the wrongs" contrary to popular belief nor is that their job. They are a toolbox of resources for each individual MEC (read: pilot group) to utilize to better their own situation individually.

-Neal

 

[~~~^~~~]

Neal:

ALPA National does have an obligation to represent all of its members equally and uphold its Constitution and Bylaws. ALPA National should not encourage and sign off on its individual MEC's acting as predators trying to bite off other members' flying.

ALPA has an exteemly poor record of encouraging alter ego flying and sponsoring the race for the bottom.

ALPA is about to die as a result of a million self inflicted cuts. ALPA has to change its representational structure or else regional airlines would be wise to avoid the union all together.

~~~^~~~

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Neal:

ALPA National does have an obligation to represent all of its members equally and uphold its Constitution and Bylaws. ALPA National should not encourage and sign off on its individual MEC's acting as predators trying to bite off other members' flying.

ALPA has an exteemly poor record of encouraging alter ego flying and sponsoring the race for the bottom.

ALPA is about to die as a result of a million self inflicted cuts. ALPA has to change its representational structure or else regional airlines would be wise to avoid the union all together.

~~~^~~~

Fins,

We represent ourselves...not once during our process did ALPA National tell us what to do or how to do it...they provided guidance and we made our own decision at our NC/MEC level. Period.

-Neal

 

[DrewBlows]

What you dont realize BLOWDREW is that I'm in here watching what is said about a certain company. As a data base is compiled of certain employees who's usernames are attatched to their real names is being built, they continue to destroy thier image, character, and employment. Thanks for asking though my friend.

Clever.