Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[SkyNation]

the 1600 was my PROFIT, idiot

 

[John Pennekamp]

the 1600 was my PROFIT, idiot

Idiot? IDIOT? SKYNATION CALLED ME AN IDIOT!???

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! :laugh:

I was quoting profit too.

Try a little harder next time, pal. I'll lay my W2 next to yours any time.

But keep following Uncle Jerry off the cliff, my little lemming. What you don't know is that he and the boys have a parachute.

Do you?

 

[SkyNation]

John

I was talking to PBR.

and you should make more than me, I'm only in my 4th year!

 

[John Pennekamp]

John

I was talking to PBR.

and you should make more than me, I'm only in my 4th year!

Nonetheless, I would expect you to take the high road and not be the one calling names when you lack a good rebuttal. Especially after all of your lectures about acting professional we've endured from you.

 

[SkyNation]

ok. when you get to the 'high road,' be sure and point it out to me.

 

[John Pennekamp]

ok. when you get to the 'high road,' be sure and point it out to me.

I never said I was, pal.

 

[USCtrojan]

ok. when you get to the 'high road,' be sure and point it out to me.

Don't forget, SkyNation is "one of the good guys!" I feel better reading his posts knowing that! Hey, SkyNation, good job on your pilot group putting Skyway pilots on the street. First Air Willy out of Denver, now Skyway out completely. I'll just let them know "you're one of the good guys." You're certainly much like the FAA, here to help (yourself).

Trojan

 

[samballs]

The difference is NetJets is a great place to work and continues to get better, the regionals are not a good place to work and have not gotten better. Much safer than sitting at the bottome of a mainline list as well. To each their own though.

Consolidation, not growth, is happening at the airlines.

When the economy is bad the first thing cut from a corporation is its flight dept.. While you guys are fractional if the economy keeps its pace of bad, Corps. are going to start making their employees fly airlines and hold off on the private jets till they really need them. This will put Fractionals in the same place or close to the regionals, if it stays this way for a long time.

 

[USCtrojan]

When the economy is bad the first thing cut from a corporation is its flight dept.. While you guys are fractional if the economy keeps its pace of bad, Corps. are going to start making their employees fly airlines and hold off on the private jets till they really need them. This will put Fractionals in the same place or close to the regionals, if it stays this way for a long time.

Rich folks tend to stay rich, for the most part. While I agree with you, when a Company has a "flight dept." and there is a financial pinch, that is the first to go. Fractionals such as NetJets don't operate on simple revenue. Mr. Buffett gets a lot of money up front (float money), then uses it to invest--In the big picture this yields much more for Berkshire Hathaway. When you have the greatest investor of all time owning your Company, I'd say that's about as stable as it comes. For the most part and as far as I know, NetJets is just beginning to be profitable. If it's lost that much money for years, and still thriving--something good is driving it. I would say NetJets is about as stable as there is.

Trojan

 

[XPOO]

Hey, Trojan, the SkyWest guys can't help it if the airline they work for is a more soundly ran operation. I guess if they really wanted to they could, but then they would be screwing over their own quality life. Maybe ALPA can come in and get these SkyWest pilots to start being less productive. that's the ticket.

 

[SkyNation]

Maybe ALPA can come in and get these SkyWest pilots to start being less productive. that's the ticket.

...or at least add a layer of red tape and bureaucracy that the majority doesn't want or need.

 

[John Pennekamp]

...or at least add a layer of red tape and bureaucracy that the majority doesn't want or need.

Um news flash, the drive failed. You can quit campaigning for the no vote anytime now...

 

[rightseatjocky]

Um news flash, the drive failed. You can quit campaigning for the no vote anytime now...

Amen to that
Skypest winners hmm I guess they don't have anyone to screw over today. Wait, the day is young.

 

[Nevets]

"Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees. Future agreements with unionized and non-unionized employees may be on terms that are not as attractive as our current agreements or comparable to agreements entered into by our competitors."

Skywest, Inc. Form 10-Q for the quarterly period ended September 30,2007 Page 24

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...25517_110q.htm

 

[USCtrojan]

"Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees. Future agreements with unionized and non-unionized employees may be on terms that are not as attractive as our current agreements or comparable to agreements entered into by our competitors."

Skywest, Inc. Form 10-Q for the quarterly period ended September 30,2007 Page 24

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...25517_110q.htm

Sweet! At least you'll keep a quick upgrade, kick Air
Willy (one of the BEST Regional Contracts) out of Denver, and put Skyway out of business to boot!! Good job.

Trojan

 

[imacdog]

I am curious if the anti-union types at SkyWest are planning on moving on from their regional, or are planning on becoming career CRJ pilots.

 

[wscrj]

vtech,

My point is essentially that I (and all ALPA pilots) commit a portion of our earnings to the defense and furtherance of the profession as a whole.

How do you (and SKYW) reciprocate?

Like old Ben Franklin said. If we don't hang together, we will CERTAINLY hang separately.

 

[Tomct]

how much of a raise would we be getting right now if we had votes YES? that is, after the 1.9% we'd lose.

AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.:laugh: Man it could not have happened to a better group! I am truly sorry for those that were smart enough to vote for a Union, but hey.....I bet Jerry still loves you and your cuddling there nation! What a Deusheeee!
AAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA:laugh:

 

[Flyerdan]

If we had a union we would be talking about a slightly higher pay raise (five years from now). I say lets take this one and then renegotiate again in 6 months to set the bar for the other regionals.

 

[vtech]

If we had a union we would be talking about a slightly higher pay raise (five years from now). I say lets take this one and then renegotiate again in 6 months to set the bar for the other regionals.

Man! Here's a guy looking at taking an incoming round or two. Sound thinking on your part but you better duck, Flyerdan. I think you may be being lined up in the crosshairs of the FI brain trust mass assault response team as I type.

 

[BoilerUP]

I say lets take this one and then renegotiate again in 6 months to set the bar for the other regionals.

In the interest of full disclosure, has Skywest ever "set the bar for the other regionals"?

 

[Tomct]

In the interest of full disclosure, has Skywest ever "set the bar for the other regionals"?

NOPE...NEVER!!!

 

[sweptback]

If we had a union we would be talking about a slightly higher pay raise (five years from now). I say lets take this one and then renegotiate again in 6 months to set the bar for the other regionals.

Tell me, how do you renegotiate again in 6 months?

Your last pay increase was because of the ALPA drive. This current pay increase is to bring you to ASA pay levels (notice how the payrates are close, but short of ASA by just a few cents?) How are you going to get your management to the table to "negotiate" when you have no leverage or the law on your side?

If this does pass, next time you pass an ASA pilot, thank them for fighting for your pay raise.

 

[vtech]

In the interest of full disclosure, has Skywest ever "set the bar for the other regionals"?

The Profit Sharing plan at Skywest, Performance Rewards I think it's called, was introduced three years ago. ASA is still trying to catch up to that one. Same holding company. ASA got about 75% of the Skywest program with their new contract. Maybe they'll catch up with their next contract. There are some that doubt the 75% number but they don't understand their own contract yet. Anyway, ASA almost caught up with Skyweest with their last contract on that program so does that count for Skywest "setting the bar?"

The proposed pay scale at Skywest essentially equals the pay scale at ASA. 1 % COLA in each scale. Payscales essentially the same. Would you expect Skywest Inc. to offer Skywest pilots a whole lot more than they just agreed to pay ASA pilots? If so, why? What sense would it make for Skywest Inc. to pay Skywest pilots a whole lot more than ASA pilots? Because Skywest pilots think they "deserve" it? What sense would it make for Skywest pilots to expect a whole lot more form Skywest Inc.?

Reject it! Send it back to SAPA to "negotiate" more. What do you expect the outcome to be? A whole lot more? Why?

Ok, then. Reject it because you "deserve" more. Once you get past that emotional reaction, take a deep breath and look around and see where you are. How'd that work out when the offer was rejected in November, 2005? A year later, a new scale was approved in 2006. The new scale went into effect in January, 2007. Skywest pilots ought to reject this one because they "deserve" more. Right. See where that gets you. If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. What's the history?

 

[Illinois]

Extending the pay scale longevity decreases the value of the raise significantly. 20 years? 18 was way too long. Throw a few bucks toward the senior, new hire, and 120 pilot's on a <18 year scale. That would help everyone inside and outside of SkyWest.

Remember, none of us work in a vacuum.

 

[vtech]

Tell me, how do you renegotiate again in 6 months?

Skywest current scale was approved by the pilots in late 2006. It had an expiration date of 2010. The scale has already been renegotiated and voting to approve or reject the new scale will start on January 20th and end on January 30th. The possiblity to renogitiate in 6 months exists at Skywest.

What do you think the chances of ASA's contract being renegotiated prior to the amendable date are?

 

[yellowfever]

I would say Skywest did set the bar for flying the 700 (and now the 900) at 200 rates. The industry has hasn't recovered from that yet!

 

[vtech]

Different rates for those planes. Not what you'd like but different rates exist.

 

[yellowfever]

Different rates for those planes. Not what you'd like but different rates exist.

Skywest flew them for some time at the same rate, helping Skywest secure growth contracts and eventually some economies of scale advantages. The damage was done. Eventually they pacified the pilot group with a weak BHO.

 

[sweptback]

Different rates for those planes. Not what you'd like but different rates exist.

It's not a payrate. It's a block hour override.

You don't get paid those rates while on vacation, during training, for your monthly guarantee, and more. You just get an extra 3 minutes pay per ever hour you sit in a 70/90.

By the way, your BHO payrates go all the way up to the 900 configured with 86 seats and a 175 configured to 98 seats. ASA's don't, they stop at 76. Anything over that needs to be negotiated. Think about that before you vote, you could be flying a 100-seat airplane for 5% more than a 50-seat airplane.