Skywest getting closer to furlough

[AEROSQUADRON69]

Without SAPA we would have?............

ALPA?

 

[CX880]

Granted GJ was formed to get around AAs scope, which is fine, but the pilots from TSA were not allowed to come over to GJ unless they came as new hires. .

No they were allowed.... get your facts straight. They chose not to because of a management feud they'd had since the beginning of TSA, they thought they could stick it to an Indian goat herder. They found out the hard way... now they're blaming everyone else but themselves.

 

[siucavflight]

No they were allowed.... get your facts straight. They chose not to because of a management feud they'd had since the beginning of TSA, they thought they could stick it to an Indian goat herder. They found out the hard way... now they're blaming everyone else but themselves.

So they could have gone over, kept their seniority, vacation, sick, and at least an industry average 70 seat pay scale?

 

[Lynxman]

You guys need to stop picking on CX an GJ pilots or their moms are guna call your moms and your guna get a time out and no dessert. You want that?

 

[CX880]

So they could have gone over, kept their seniority, vacation, sick, and at least an industry average 70 seat pay scale?

......... you do know that TSA pilots had a chance in forming a single list do you? Hulas didn't just start hiring off the street randomly until they were turned down by the pilot group repeatedly. (that's another story) But at some point they had to man the airplanes, they didn't have the cash to form an industry leading contract back in 05 because of the cost of GJ which was necessary for the future of TS as you are seeing now... You can make the argument of morality but you can also make the argument of stupidity considering what has happened to TSA.

 

[Lynxman]

Hey CX how you doin?

 

[joeywoofwoof]

Umm, i thought this was a Skywest thread.....

 

[Salukipilot4590]

No they were allowed.... get your facts straight. They chose not to because of a management feud they'd had since the beginning of TSA, they thought they could stick it to an Indian goat herder. They found out the hard way... now they're blaming everyone else but themselves.

I give you a C+ for effort...or almost but not quite.

I was told (since I was but a wee inner-city youth when it all went down) that the pilots were allowed to keep up to 5 years of seniority and longevity when they crossed over.

Then again what do I know...all this sun, sand and surfing has clouded my mind.

Stay crispy y'all!

 

[CX880]

I give you a C+ for effort...or almost but not quite.

I was told (since I was but a wee inner-city youth when it all went down) that the pilots were allowed to keep up to 5 years of seniority and longevity when they crossed over.

Then again what do I know...all this sun, sand and surfing has clouded my mind.

Stay crispy y'all!

The point is that TSA could have had the flying in the first place they voted no. Yes some guys, even though they had a job at TSA did decide to "cross over" in 05 after gj was formed. But who cares? Separate airlines, no different then you going from an airline to a startup so that you can be first on the seniority list. It's a free country isn't it? As long as you're not being a scab which has already been proven. And it's also not an alter-ego that's proven in court as well.

 

[siucavflight]

The point is that TSA could have had the flying in the first place they voted no. Yes some guys, even though they had a job at TSA did decide to "cross over" in 05 after gj was formed. But who cares? Separate airlines, no different then you going from an airline to a startup so that you can be first on the seniority list. It's a free country isn't it? As long as you're not being a scab which has already been proven. And it's also not an alter-ego that's proven in court as well.

I have never accused GJ guys of being scabs. But GJ was used to whipsaw the TSA guys, TSA guys asked for a respectable wage to fly the 70 seater, the boss said no, accecpt my offer or I will hire all new pilots who will do it for less, then the GJ turds willing to work for crap wages came along and took the jobs. Again I am not calling you guys scabs, never have and never will, I will however continue to educate everyone in the corporate world about the pilots at GJs who screwed over hard working pilots who were trying to get a respectable wage from their boss.

 

[Erlanger]

The Voluntary Leave of Absence was announced today.

Some of the highlights:

• Leave lengths of 1 to 12 months
• Longer call back provisions (30 days, 90 days or none depending on leave length)
• Company paid portion of medical and dental insurance
• Domicile protection
• Full travel benefits (as allowed by our travel agreements)
• Seniority and longevity continue to accrue

 

[flyboyzz1]

So I highly doubt this program would have been offered with benefits if SAPA wouldn't have continued to hound management...

 

[Cambereffect]

The Voluntary Leave of Absence was announced today.

Some of the highlights:

• Leave lengths of 1 to 12 months
• Longer call back provisions (30 days, 90 days or none depending on leave length)
• Company paid portion of medical and dental insurance
• Domicile protection
• Full travel benefits (as allowed by our travel agreements)
• Seniority and longevity continue to accrue

That actually sounds pretty good. I know some people are probably disappointed to not be able to get full medical, but better then nothing I guess...

 

[flyboyzz1]

who ever gets full medical? I pay 60 dollars a month which is my portion...would be the same if I took the VLA

 

[Erlanger]

That actually sounds pretty good. I know some people are probably disappointed to not be able to get full medical, but better then nothing I guess...

Skywest pays 2/3 of the benefits.

 

[pipers]

camber,

i believe it is the same portion you pay now

 

[sweptback]

The Voluntary Leave of Absence was announced today.

Some of the highlights:

• Leave lengths of 1 to 12 months
• Longer call back provisions (30 days, 90 days or none depending on leave length)
• Company paid portion of medical and dental insurance
• Domicile protection
• Full travel benefits (as allowed by our travel agreements)
• Seniority and longevity continue to accrue

Wow... exactly what ALPA negotiated for ASA pilots several months ago! What a shocker.

 

[Nevets]

flyerdan....if you believe that than...

Without Sapa management would have 0 accountability. The reason management isn't talking about furloughs is because they DON'T have to. Klen has said that come fall they WILL furlough unless we get a large increase in flying or enough people take a LOA. Without SAPA, managment would have already passed the LOA without any benifits and no significant time frame. If this was the case NO ONE would take this crappy LOA and we would furlough even more folks.

It is people like you that make SAPA weak. Why in the world would managment take SAPA serious when we pilots don't show solidarity. Your attitude makes SAPA weak which inturn has a direct impact on your QOL.

What makes SAPA weak is that its not an organization recognized by the National Mediation Board and therefore cannot legally represent its supposed constituents. It has no power to negotiate or any real leverage either since they don't have the RLA to negotiate under. In other words, there is no "real good faith bargaining." And therefore, almost by definition, is just a management tool. I don't blame the management. They are doing what is prudent for their stockholders.

So I highly doubt this program would have been offered with benefits if SAPA wouldn't have continued to hound management...

Is that not exactly what the ASA MEC negotiated for their pilots?

 

[flyboyzz1]

it is...but that doesn't mean they have to give it to the non-union skywest. They were not planing on allowing benefits and could have easily said pound dirt.

I'm not saying SAPA has anything to stand up against management with. Obviously they can do what ever they want. All I am saying is most likely, without SAPA staying on their azz, we would have gotten a crappy deal.

 

[samballs]

it is...but that doesn't mean they have to give it to the non-union skywest. They were not planing on allowing benefits and could have easily said pound dirt.

I'm not saying SAPA has anything to stand up against management with. Obviously they can do what ever they want. All I am saying is most likely, without SAPA staying on their azz, we would have gotten a crappy deal.

SAPA would love you to believe that and spread it, but the ugly truth is your company knows if they did say pound dirt the pilots would grumble union. By people believing that SAPA did anything the company and SAPA(company) both look good, and that is what the company wants.