Skywest getting closer to furlough

[profit]

And who the hell are you, why are you judgin people that you've never met and have never affected you? You are a moron, stop trolling around here on the regional forums nobody cares about what you have to say.

siucavflight deserves to be read ALWAYS based on his avatar alone. He must spends weeks finding pictures.

And may I say siucavflight, GOD BLESS YOU sir.

 

[CX880]

GoJet pilots have had a huge effect on the lives of TSA pilots. This has been discussed and debated ad nauseum.

You say that like it's our fault. TSA came before GJ, not the other way around. You can bitch all you want and try to reinterpret the meaning of a scab but in the end there is nothing for you. You've all got nothing and you know it. Now your MEC is crawling back for a GJ merger like you would have had in 05. Pathetic. You can't take it out on your own people in 05 that made you guys lose jobs. What do you guys seriously expect with your rantings, to not have people go to GJ? Bunch of little kids, kicking and screaming.

 

[Flyerdan]

If Skywest is talking about furlough, that's like the pope saying the end is near. It's now officially bad for the regionals.

Skywest is NOT talking about furloughs. SAPA keeps bringing it up in their silly forum and they don't really represent Skywest pilots. Most Skywest pilots think SAPA is a joke and don't even bother to vote when they hold elections. Skywest management has consistently stated that they WILL NOT furlough unless there is a significant change/event with one of our code shares.

 

[waka]

siucavflight is correct.

Pilots need to take a hard look before they take a crap regional/airline job. Eastern is the poster child for this...look how long ago that was, no one has forgotten.

This industry is a small world, you can't undercut you're fellow pilots without consequences.

Drink the Koolaid or man-up and pay your dues like most of us have.

Instead of mindlessly regurgitating what you hear, why don't you "man-up" and use your brain to formulate with your own thoughts?

Read carefully. No, there is zero comparison to Eastern. With Eastern, there was a strike and a picket line was established. There were scabs that crossed the picket line. These scabs were placed on a list. TSA pilots are not on strike. GJ pilots are not scabs. Get it now?

No, I don't fly for GJ and I do agree that it sucks that GJ was created as an alter ego to TSA. (btw; Was this in violation of a scope clause? If not, you all agreed to a weak contract and whose fault is that?) However, I'm just sick and tired of all of these parrots misusing the word and calling GJ pilots scabs. They're no more scabs than TSA pilots when TSA was "stealing" Eagle flying while Eagle pilots on the street.

They're not undercutting the industry anymore than any pilot that hires into any airline.

 

[flyboyzz1]

flyerdan....if you believe that than...

Without Sapa management would have 0 accountability. The reason management isn't talking about furloughs is because they DON'T have to. Klen has said that come fall they WILL furlough unless we get a large increase in flying or enough people take a LOA. Without SAPA, managment would have already passed the LOA without any benifits and no significant time frame. If this was the case NO ONE would take this crappy LOA and we would furlough even more folks.

It is people like you that make SAPA weak. Why in the world would managment take SAPA serious when we pilots don't show solidarity. Your attitude makes SAPA weak which inturn has a direct impact on your QOL.

 

[Flyerdan]

flyerdan....if you believe that than...

Without Sapa management would have 0 accountability. The reason management isn't talking about furloughs is because they DON'T have to. Klen has said that come fall they WILL furlough unless we get a large increase in flying or enough people take a LOA. Without SAPA, management would have already passed the LOA without any benefits and no significant time frame. If this was the case NO ONE would take this crappy LOA and we would furlough even more folks.

It is people like you that make SAPA weak. Why in the world would management take SAPA serious when we pilots don't show solidarity. Your attitude makes SAPA weak which inturn has a direct impact on your QOL.

You are misinformed. Klen did not put out that statement. SAPA is simply a weak tool that management uses occasionally to try to manipulate the pilot group and stir the pot. SAPA ends up talking about uniform issues, professionalism, cleaning airplanes, and the HIMS program instead of real QOL issues that the pilot group wants. It is laughable how when someone runs for a SAPA rep position they talk about how they will take a stand on serious issues and then after just a couple of meetings with management their entire agenda is circumvented by management and they become lackeys talking about petty issues that pilots would just as soon get an email about from the chief pilot group. You should really just take a step back and take an objective look at what SAPA is DOING instead of what they are saying. You will see that I am correct.

 

[siucavflight]

TSA did nothing similar to Eagle, Eagle was not allowed to do anymore flying for AA because of scope.
Granted GJ was formed to get around AAs scope, which is fine, but the pilots from TSA were not allowed to come over to GJ unless they came as new hires. RAH was established to get around AAs scope, but CHQ pilots were allowed to go to RAH with their senority, and pay.

 

[flyboyzz1]

so dan, are you suggesting that we just throw in our gloves and let management do what ever they want with us? Do you want a union? I can't imagine you want zero control over the company you work for so what are your ideas if you don't support SAPA?

 

[Erlanger]

flyerdan....if you believe that than...

Without Sapa management would have 0 accountability. The reason management isn't talking about furloughs is because they DON'T have to. Klen has said that come fall they WILL furlough unless we get a large increase in flying or enough people take a LOA. Without SAPA, managment would have already passed the LOA without any benifits and no significant time frame. If this was the case NO ONE would take this crappy LOA and we would furlough even more folks.

It is people like you that make SAPA weak. Why in the world would managment take SAPA serious when we pilots don't show solidarity. Your attitude makes SAPA weak which inturn has a direct impact on your QOL.

I'm wondering if SAPA or the company has looked at the fine print on the health and dental benefits. It says that LOA employees are ineligible for benefits and must requalify when they return to work.

 

[rickair7777]

I'm wondering if SAPA or the company has looked at the fine print on the health and dental benefits. It says that LOA employees are ineligible for benefits and must requalify when they return to work.

Yes, they have looked at it. Health insurers cannot pick and chose who to insure if you enroll as a new-hire...but if you decline insurance as a new-hire and then try to enroll later there is a natural and reasonable suspicion that you just came down with some expensive malady. For this reason the insurance companies are allowed to evaluate your health if you attempt late enrollment.

Unfortunately this may also get applied to those who lose benefits due to a voluntary leave of absence...effectively they voluntarily dropped the bennies.

 

[Fishpaw]

Why doesn't Sapa deal with the issues we really care about. Like having fa's wear lower shirts and shorter skirts (the hot ones at least).

Note: I don't work for skw but I hear your fa's are smokin'

 

[flyboyzz1]

I hear N.G. is very lovely...

 

[Flip]

You all sound like a Jerry springer audience.

It's wrong to compare Flight Info Folk to a Jerry Springer audience. An average Springer audience is way more intelligent and rational than some of the teenagers on here.

 

[siucavflight]

It's wrong to compare Flight Info Folk to a Jerry Springer audience. An average Springer audience is way more intelligent and rational than some of the teenagers on here.

As opposed to your mature posts?

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1749594&postcount=16

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http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1373618&postcount=8

 

[Fishpaw]

I hear N.G. is very lovely...

Apparently some people think so but she's definitely no k.s.