Sky West pilots response to mgt

[Soverytired]

i think u all are stupid if u vote yes

Dn't u mean "stoopid"?

 

[WalterSobchak]

When is the damn vote? I'm tired of always coming on to FI and having to read about all the bitching going on at SKW.

Underrated post.

 

[Coloaviator]

Pollster

In the last 90 days I have kept my own poll. I have not told anybody about this, I simply ask people I see in the crew lounges and people I fly with if the vote was today what would you vote? I have asked a very fair sampling of 150 Skywest pilots in all domiciles. The results are 83 no and 67 yes. With this being said it will be about as close as the last to presidential elsections. With that being said I just don't see it having the momentum it needs. Its unfortunate but I just had to conduct my own little poll.

 

[Jmoney]

Fingers Crossed....

In the last 90 days I have kept my own poll. I have not told anybody about this, I simply ask people I see in the crew lounges and people I fly with if the vote was today what would you vote? I have asked a very fair sampling of 150 Skywest pilots in all domiciles. The results are 83 no and 67 yes. With this being said it will be about as close as the last to presidential elsections. With that being said I just don't see it having the momentum it needs. Its unfortunate but I just had to conduct my own little poll.

I am really keeping my fingers crossed on this one.....
I am very much hoping Skywest votes ALPA in. One of the greatest benefits is the fact that they will really stand up for their members.

I know of a crew that got sued in some silly lawsuit by a passenger who got hurt in an evacuation. You can bet the company didn't defend these guys from the lawsuit-they had to depend on ALPA. Saved each of them tens of thousands.... More than they will ever pay in dues.

-Better think about the alternative-you have a lot more at risk than you may think. Try and defend yourself from a lawsuit like that on a regional salary without union help...... People who are unfortunate enough to find themselves in a similar position would regret not having voted "yes." Something to consider.

 

[WWEfan]

Something to keep in mind too, once a pilot group brings ALPA to the property ALPA will provide the resources to negotiate an agreement it is totally up to the majority of pilots as to what to seek in each contract. If MESA keeps ending up with a sustandard deal it's because the membership keeps voting it in. It was thier choice. Right now Sky West pilots don't even have a choice, they have to accept was uncle Jerry feels is enough!

 

[SkyNation]

another thing to remember is once ALPA comes on property, it is almost impossible to remove them. this isn't something you can just say 'well, let's just try it and see.'

and as for the company backing pilots, I know of a guy here who was making obscene phone calls to FAs on the overnites. the 'evil company' paid for him to get counseling, and he still works here today. you can debate whether or not they 'should' have done that, the point is they didn't have to. they could have just fired the dude.

this is not a unique example here, either.

(all haters, this is your cue to post examples of people you feel were unjustly fired, and how ALPA would make it 'all better.')

 

[WWEfan]

Hey skynation, what do you stand to lose when ALPA make its onto the property? 2% in dues, I got new for you sport you are already getting 5-6% less than industry leading rates on the CR2 and you are losing about 10-12% on the CR2 and CR9 because Jerry refuses to treat the pilots like every other airline and pay them properly for flying bigger equipment. for the CR7 a mid level Captain thats like $30,000 over 5 years.....keep flying at cheap rates while others cash their checks.

ASA current CR7 rates
Captains
Date

Year1$60.20 Year2$62.07 Year3$63.97 Year4$65.96 Year5$68.01 Year6$70.11 Year7$72.27 Year8$74.50 Year9$77.51 Year10$80.63 Year11$83.12 Year12$85.69 Year13$88.35 Year14$91.07 Year15$93.89 Year16$96.71 Year17$99.60 Year18$102.59first officers
Year1$19.02 Year2$37.24 Year3$38.38 Year4$39.58 Year5$40.80 Year6$42.06 Year7$43.36 Year8$44.70But then again who needs money? More than likely you don't care what the rates are because you must be in management from the way you display your distaste for fair representation.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Look, y'all it comes down to this. Vote ALPA in if you want. Don't if you don't want to. But when it fails and Jerry takes away all the candy y'all have gotten over the last couple of years, don't come on here and bitch, because we told you so. Good luck.

 

[SkyNation]

WWE fan,

as has been proved, there is more to pay than hourly rates. I guarantee I make more at the end of the year than most if not all other CR2 pilots at other regionals in my seat and seniority. (3rd year CA, will make mid-80K range this year on reserve, rarely pick up OT or do any extra flying)

JP,

do you mean 35 when you say the 'last couple of years'?

 

[Coloaviator]

The Future

If you were to look into the minds of Jerry and the boys they understand they have alot of time, alot of money, and alot of good attorneys to deal with this whole situation. The fact of the matter is (and I don't like either of these outcomes) that Skywest management is just waiting. It is part of their game plan. They are obviously just playing with the ASA pilot group and their contract. This ultimately makes the pilot group look bad and ALPA look terrible. It is also demonstrating to Skywest pilots that ALPA is bad (in their game plan). Finally if ALPA does not get the vote at Skywest, Jerry and the boys will start to dismantle ASA the day after ALPA looses one of the great battles in modern day union/employer battles. If ALPA comes on property both of the pilot groups will be married together happily ever after eventhough this to could be messy. I hate to say this on here but that is what it is looking like. There are alot of things that point to it.

 

[SkyNation]

Jerry and Co. were bullied into buying ASA to preserve their position with DAL. given that scenario, they are doing what they can, but I agree they'll probably shrink ASA as their loyalty is to SW, the airline they built all these past years.

I also agree with the results of the aforementioned unscientific poll conducted among pilots at SW. I'd put the results are more like 30% FOR, 60% AGAINST.

 

[WWEfan]

I dare you to post any w-2 that shows the majority of sky west cr2 cpts making $80k I would venture to say there are a few but not the majority. What about the CR7 we have plenty cpt's making $120k +. If ALPA fails at Sky West I can guarantee you that you will never see a CR7 or CR9 rate even close to ASA, CMR,CHQ. JA would have no reason to ever give you what you are worth or he can easily afford.

 

[WWEfan]

John Pennekamp is dead on if the union fails, JA will know that there is no voice, no threat, no money for the pilot's to use to bargin, Sky West will always be behind everyone else. As a matter of fact he can take from you and there is nothing anyone can do about except quit or complain.

 

[Gobi Gred]

Skynation, You know what's more retarded than voting ALPA down? Having a union drive every couple of years, crying wolf to management and then voting it down. How many more times do we have to do this? If you think it'll be the last union drive if it gets voted down, think again. On the subject of hourly rates I agree that one has to look at more than hourly rates when it comes to compensation but at the same time why shouldn't we have the highest hourly rates? Aren't we the best regional? (as so many claim) We are the largest independently owned "regional" and one of the most profitable airlines in the world. We should have the highest hourly rates. Period. If we aren't willing to help raise the bar, other pilot groups don't have chance. How is this profession going to keep improving? What we do as a pilot group has an effect on the profession whether you like it or not. This "I don't care about other pilot groups, all I care about is myself and SkyWest" mentality that so many SkyWest pilots have is shortsighted and selfish.

 

[SkyNation]

I dare you to post any w-2 that shows the majority of sky west cr2 cpts making $80k I would venture to say there are a few but not the majority.

you dare me, huh? well my dad can beat up your dad!

I've already been excoriated for posting W2 info here. if you want to know, start a new thread, called something like 'SkyWest pilots, how much do you make?'

you must not have been around for the last go 'round of this discussion. many, many ASA guys confirmed that we do better here at SkyWest overall.

Gobi,

the threat of a union is better than having one, even though I agree it's retarded to have one drive after another. don't complain to me, however. I didn't start it. if what they were selling were more attractive, it'd pass easily. heaven knows they've gotten the their message out, it's just that only a minority is buying.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

WWE fan,

as has been proved, there is more to pay than hourly rates. I guarantee I make more at the end of the year than most if not all other CR2 pilots at other regionals in my seat and seniority. (3rd year CA, will make mid-80K range this year on reserve, rarely pick up OT or do any extra flying)

JP,

do you mean 35 when you say the 'last couple of years'?

Again you are spewing $hit again, 3rd year CPT making mid 80k. Yeah right, if you go to the company website and add the cost of the krappy socalled health insurance, SSI and every other thing they can add to make you think that the blue kool-aid is really tasty. Guess what that kool-aid come out the back of a RJ, and you are swilling like there is no tomorrow. I am a 9th year CPT and will not get anywhere that number, unless you use all the company supplied propaganda. 3rd year CPT, whoohoo WTF, you arent even a journeyman yet. grow up you putz, you are starting to sound like hellownewwoman. "Those who refuse to study history are doomed to repeat it" Here we go, you and the rest of unkle ricos lap puppies will screw the rest of us. You are an embarrasment to all workers. The great irony is you will get exactly what you deserve, a$$pounding!
PBR

 

[Gobi Gred]

Just out of curiosity, how and when did BH get the nickname "uncle rico" and why? Skynation, The threat of union becomes less and less effective each time we vote it down. At some point we will have to follow through. It is a matter of time before SkyWest will be union. I'd rather not wait until we get royally screwed over.

 

[WWEfan]

You still have no response to the CR7 rate???? You will never see it without a real union. Apply $102.59 to your flight time and rigs and it's alot more than the $92 and change SKW pilots top out at......

 

[WalterSobchak]

Just out of curiosity, how and when did BH get the nickname "uncle rico" and why?

Oh, c'mon, even I know this one...

Ever seen a pic of the guy? Find one and compare it to Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite.

 

[SkyNation]

PBR,

hello Sunshine! you still work here? how can you stand it, man?! I thought you'd moved on since you hate this place sooooo badly. either that or imploded in on yourself in a fit of company hating, self-loathing, ultra negative rage.

so, here we go again.

Me-3rd year CA, some of the year will be 4th. pay rate is like 63 bucks/hr.

63/hr x 105/hrs per month avg. credit =6489
6489 x 12 months = 77868
plus per diem, which for me will be between 5-6K=$83368

plus all the other crap you mentioned