Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[MCDU]

If the Nic were not a huge windfall, they would be content with staying separate. Why is one group happy with separate ops and the other wants it combined at all cost.

The Nic is dead and the sooner the Westies except that, the faster a contract. I know many west pilots who are fed up with AOL and all the waisted money. Many Westies want to move on but there is huge pressure from the AOL extremist. Many Westies know the C and R will protect PHX and time will allow the younger AWA pilots to move rapidly up the seniority list once the retirements begin.

M

 

[get2flyin]

I almost started to laugh, but then I realized how old the most junior east is. Even their daughters have to be in their forties! After I thought about it, I threw up in my mouth a little. uke:

Pssst. Regardless of the USAPA flamebait, most of the guys are AWA are in their upper 40s to early 50s. So... if that makes you sick, whatever.

 

[get2flyin]

If the Nic were not a huge windfall, they would be content with staying separate. Why is one group happy with separate ops and the other wants it combined at all cost.

No group is totally happy, but the West has already been through one integration process (the Nic) and sees no reason to go through another. Although realistically speaking, the West knows the East alternative to the Nic is a generous stapling. Thanks, but no thanks.

The Nic is dead and the sooner the Westies except that, the faster a contract. (Uh, no it isn't, but I'd say the same about the East accepting the NIC.) I know many west pilots who are fed up with AOL and all the waisted (wasted) money. Many Westies want to move on but there is huge pressure from the AOL extremist. (No you don't, because there really aren't any but go ahead and pass that along. Nobody listens to you anyway.) Many Westies know the C and R will protect PHX and time will allow the younger AWA pilots to move rapidly up the seniority list once the retirements begin. (C and Rs are only good for the East pilots and are a do-over of the seniority process that has already been completed. Thanks but no thanks.)

M

There, I fixed it.
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[St. Nic]

The Nic was not an integration process... that was some other agnet wich is not on the property. USAPA has nothing to do with Nic

 

[Lear70]

B-atch suspended for profanity and direct verbal attack on another member.

Keep it clean, ladies and gentlemen.

/mod

 

[vetrider]

The Nic was not an integration process... that was some other agnet wich is not on the property. USAPA has nothing to do with Nic

You're going to be dissapointed JLJ.

 

[BeCareful!]

Riiiiiiight. Or everyone can follow the East entitlement plan of "return from furlough to the left seat in Phoenix, and then make pretty much ALL West pilots furlough fodder". THAT"mindset" is what got USAir pilots (*the NEW USAir, in case you forgot) to where they are now.

Nic award. No fences. The West pilots accept that far more commuting Easties will go West that the other way around. It is going to slow upgrades down in Phoenix and create openings in the Philly. I think you'd be surprised at how many West people won't find commuting there a viable choice, but why accept some bogus fence when Nic already settled the dispute?

Total inflammatory nonsense. No one would return from furlough and be able to hold PHX Captain. Why does misrepresenting the truth make you guys so horny? What is it about blathering total garbage on FI.com trying to get mesa pilots to worship you that gets you off so much?

And to finish with the inane statement that Nic settled the dispute.....It might get settled someday, but Nic had nothing to do with settling it.

 

[Cowboy75]

It seems to me that the economic HOLE that the AOL group has dug for itself is fairly substantial. Why defend the NIC? if not for its LONG TERM rewards...

There is no economic hole caused by funding an organization defending the rights of pilots who should have been fairly represented by a union. An economic hole was created for those pilots furloughed out of seniority or downgraded. The reason Leonidas LLC exists is to defend the rights of pilots to be fairly represented by it's bargaining agent.

 

[MCDU]

Westies like to misrepresent the truth. Just watch the Kirby session . The amount of lies and words spoken are just amazing. Kirby just keeps shaking his head wondering where these Westies come up with this .

Anyway, the Westies just do not get it. The desperation shows. (By the way, who is that dork with that retarded T shirt?) Funny how Kirby refers to a lottery ticket that you can not cash when he talks about the Nic. Watch the F/A session. Very eye opening about the value of PHX.

NIC DOA

M

 

[get2flyin]

The Nic was not an integration process... that was some other agnet wich is not on the property. USAPA has nothing to do with Nic

USAPA had nothing to do with current pay and work rules either, but that doesn't mean they get to pick and choose which ones they want to use. The INHERITED the current contracts because they had already been negotiated. They INHERITED the Nic for the same reason.

 

[get2flyin]

Total inflammatory nonsense. No one would return from furlough and be able to hold PHX Captain. Why does misrepresenting the truth make you guys so horny? What is it about blathering total garbage on FI.com trying to get mesa pilots to worship you that gets you off so much?

And to finish with the inane statement that Nic settled the dispute.....It might get settled someday, but Nic had nothing to do with settling it.

Not inflammatory at all. Under the ORIGINAL DOH proposal ALPA wanted, that's EXACTLY what could have happened.

Under USAPA's C&Rs proposal, in the even of another furlough the C and R's go away and PHX is fair game. Under the "fair" DOH with C&Rs, guys who were furloughed at the time of the merger would be "senior" to many West Captains and could take advantage of the resulting vacancy bid to become Captains. How is THAT blathering garbage? I thought so.

And like it or not, Nic settled seniority.

 

[Cowboy75]

Westies like to misrepresent the truth. Just watch the Kirby session . The amount of lies and words spoken are just amazing. Kirby just keeps shaking his head wondering where these Westies come up with this .

Anyway, the Westies just do not get it. The desperation shows. (By the way, who is that dork with that retarded T shirt?) Funny how Kirby refers to a lottery ticket that you can not cash when he talks about the Nic. Watch the F/A session. Very eye opening about the value of PHX.

NIC DOA

M

Marty,

I just watched the crew news after reading your post. Were you watching the same session that I just saw? First, I'm a bit confused how you get access to crew news when you claim that you are not a US Airways employee? Why don't you you clear that up for many of us? The company is on record stating that the Nic is the only accepted list per the TA. They know that USAPA is bent on presenting a list other than the Nic. They were hoping the 9th would have brought a resolution to the case. The 9th punted and the company understands that the DFRII guns are loaded and ready to fire.

There is only one list the company has accepted and it is not DOH.

 

[charlie2]

Marty,

I just watched the crew news after reading your post. Were you watching the same session that I just saw? First, I'm a bit confused how you get access to crew news when you claim that you are not a US Airways employee? Why don't you you clear that up for many of us? The company is on record stating that the Nic is the only accepted list per the TA. They know that USAPA is bent on presenting a list other than the Nic. They were hoping the 9th would have brought a resolution to the case. The 9th punted and the company understands that the DFRII guns are loaded and ready to fire.

There is only one list the company has accepted and it is not DOH.

OK Cowboy but how can you actually use the Nic? There HAS to be a ratified contract in order to use it right? No one I know will vote for any contract that has the nic list and this was true with the previous union as is with the current one. So how will you get to use it?

 

[TWA Dude]

No one I know will vote for any contract that has the nic list and this was true with the previous union as is with the current one.

I know you guys like to say that but it remains to be proven (and I know you'll excuse us for not taking your word for it). The "snapback" grievance result will soon be announced and I'm sure it will be a loss for USAPA (and I say that matter-of-fact-ly with no gloating). A joint contract was 80% done in 2007 when the company was profitable. Now USAPA's thus-far successful strategy of delay, delay, delay will mean several more years of LOA93 wages and work rules while the industry passes us by. At some point enough Easties will want the money and a better QOL. That point is probably coming sooner than you're comfortable admitting on a message board.

 

[Metrojet]

I know you guys like to say that but it remains to be proven (and I know you'll excuse us for not taking your word for it). The "snapback" grievance result will soon be announced and I'm sure it will be a loss for USAPA (and I say that matter-of-fact-ly with no gloating). A joint contract was 80% done in 2007 when the company was profitable. Now USAPA's thus-far successful strategy of delay, delay, delay will mean several more years of LOA93 wages and work rules while the industry passes us by. At some point enough Easties will want the money and a better QOL. That point is probably coming sooner than you're comfortable admitting on a message board.

Twa Dude -

The only group of Easties WHO MIGHT HAVE voted for a JC if one was proposed in 2007 would have been the very top of the list - now that most of those at the top are able to recieve PBGC benefits and keep flying for another few years have no need to vote in a JC that included the Nic, since they are only going to be here a few more years anyway and have gotten a raise (plus waiting on LOA 93 settlement) - so let me repeat this - NOT ONE PILOT that I have talked to would vote yes for a contract with Nic -

We are fine on the east with seperate ops and people retiring in the next few years - I cannot speak for those on the west - and whatever happens in the courts - they cannot take away my NO vote for a bad contract as per the TA.

Metrojet