Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[gutshotdraw]

The DOH list has been constructed with conditions and restrictions. It is fair and equitable for all hahahahahahahaha and USAPA has put it up on the website. I suggest all west pilots read it and submit input on the conditions and restrictions, to be a part of the union and particpaite. We are tired of a select few out west holding things up. Lets move forward now that the 9th has settled seniority. double hahahahahahahahahaha

I can't WAIT until the Court comes back very soon saying "Oh yes, USAirways, you will be TOTALLY liable in a lawsuit if you agree to a contract with USAPA that abrogates Nic. Dougie will stop the presses on negotiations that include ANY form of DOH and then pour himself ANOTHER scotch, shake his head, laugh, and wonder how he ever got so lucky to have a bunch of knuckleheads working for 30% below industry standard wages.

 

[xanderman]

The DOH list has been constructed with conditions and restrictions. It is fair and equitable for all and USAPA has put it up on the website. I suggest all west pilots read it and submit input on the conditions and restrictions, to be a part of the union and particpaite. We are tired of a select few out west holding things up. Lets move forward now that the 9th has settled seniority.

In all seriousness I believe it is an instant failure when you tell me what my expectations were/are/should be. Not to mention the east quickly forgets the ills of their career just prior to the merger. There are SEC documents that will paint a less than rosy picture of what the east expectations were/are/should be. Conveniently the east run merger committee disregards that input. You see the problem lies in the fact that you are not, never could be, nor will ever be a neutral third party objectively looking at the facts. Strangely enough we did actually participate in that exact scenario and now you simply don't like the outcome.

Anyhow my issues with your CR's are these:

1. Basically easties can bid into PHX under straight DOH if there is any growth in PHX. They can bid in under straight DOH if a westy bids east leaving a vacancy. Oh! and, you guessed it, if that westy does go east it's straight DOH for them. This effectively creates a little bubble of existence in PHX for the AWA folks who, if they try to move will be punished by DOH, not to mention they can't have any growth if there is any and an easty wants it. Yeah that's fair...

2. Furlough. I am not even going to get into the details except to say with the current CR's you intend to make the west your furlough fodder.

In the end the company seeking and getting immunity from the courts is a super long shot. They, IMO, will not get it thereby rendering anything but Nic moot. If by chance they do get immunity we'll just end up going through with DFR II, possibly having to get a whole new contract, all because your pompous leadership will refuse anything other than what they currently have in their DOH list.

Oh! BTW it's not just a few my friend. It's the entire AWA brotherhood that will fight this until you agree to the Nic or you are all retired.

 

[eaglesview]

1. Basically easties can bid into PHX under straight DOH if there is any growth in PHX. They can bid in under straight DOH if a westy bids east leaving a vacancy. Oh! and, you guessed it, if that westy does go east it's straight DOH for them. This effectively creates a little bubble of existence in PHX for the AWA folks who, if they try to move will be punished by DOH, not to mention they can't have any growth if there is any and an easty wants it. Yeah that's fair...

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What, besides PHX was a westies expectations before the merger? Why does the west never acknowledger the amount of "EAST" flying they are doing now. There has got to be a compromise on both sides.

 

[xanderman]

What, besides PHX was a westies expectations before the merger? Why does the west never acknowledger the amount of "EAST" flying they are doing now. There has got to be a compromise on both sides.

Never attempted to ignore the flying we are doing out east. But then I didn't bring up the flying the east is doing out west. My point is that both entities are doing some flying that was not a part of their program prior to the merger. So tell me why the east should get everything outside of PHX (AND in PHX if there is any growth)? Are we (both carriers) not benefiting from this merger? Why does one side get the rewards? Your argument is pretty one sided... You are right though. There should be a compromise.

Oh...um...the compromise occurred in the arbitration. See the document entitled Nicolau Award for details.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

What, besides PHX was a westies expectations before the merger?

Ummmm, new airplanes, growth, a profitable company, new hires......
What was the expectations of the east pre merger???
Answer-------> Walmart Greeter, 18 year furloughs, 2nd trip to bankruptch, not able to make payroll.......

Why does the west never acknowledger the amount of "EAST" flying they are doing now. There has got to be a compromise on both sides.

How can you expect them to compromise with a bunch of job stealing scumbags who don't keep to their word! I would believe the east scumbags......The west should have just let that airline go out of business and done the world a favor.

 

[Ocity]

The DOH list has been constructed with conditions and restrictions. It is fair and equitable for all and USAPA has put it up on the website. I suggest all west pilots read it and submit input on the conditions and restrictions, to be a part of the union and particpaite. We are tired of a select few out west holding things up. Lets move forward now that the 9th has settled seniority.

The "Select Few" comprise of a Certified class of Litigants composing nearly 40% of the total pilot group. You won't see a single IOTA of "input" as to the trumped up C&R as envisioned by the one guy that wrote them from USAPA. You'd see a lot more union participation if you had say...oh I don't know....a REAL EFFING UNION?!

You're on crack if you think the 9th settled anything. Recall that "thorny" question they didn't want to talk about yet? Well the Companies Lawsuit is forcing that thorny question to the surface.

See you idiots in court. It was a hell of a lot of fun the first time, really looking fwd to it again. Of course, if the company is going to be held as liable as your fake union is; game over.

 

[TWA Dude]

What, besides PHX was a westies expectations before the merger? Why does the west never acknowledger the amount of "EAST" flying they are doing now. There has got to be a compromise on both sides.

The TA governs the allowed flying and you can bet if the West was flying more than allowed USAPA would be all over it. So you can drop that East talking point.

Also you fail to acknowledge what Nicolau pointed out, that the East had more to gain from the merger than the West. The list was crafted with that as a consideration

 

[eaglesview]

Ummmm, new airplanes, growth, a profitable company, new hires......
What was the expectations of the east pre merger???
Answer-------> Walmart Greeter, 18 year furloughs, 2nd trip to bankruptch, not able to make payroll.......

Really?? From the outside looking in it appears as though all "AWA" has done since the merger is shrink. Wasn't there a crew base in Vegas?? Now the west is doing a bunch of flying that used to be done by the east. The world is not black and white. There has to be a compromise.

 

[eaglesview]

The TA governs the allowed flying and you can bet if the West was flying more than allowed USAPA would be all over it. So you can drop that East talking point.

Also you fail to acknowledge what Nicolau pointed out, that the East had more to gain from the merger than the West. The list was crafted with that as a consideration

Drop it because it's true?? I didn't say they were "over the limit." but the statement is true, the west is doing a signifigant amount of "east" flying.

 

[xanderman]

Really?? From the outside looking in it appears as though all "AWA" has done since the merger is shrink. Wasn't there a crew base in Vegas?? Now the west is doing a bunch of flying that used to be done by the east. The world is not black and white. There has to be a compromise.

From the outside looking in? Maybe feigning ignorance. Or maybe you are that slow...I don't know. But having said that I can tell you that AWA was much more healthy. We did have airframes on order. We were upgrading and hiring from the street. What changed? Why is the west in decline? Simple really. Cost structure. AWA enjoyed a 7-8 cent CASM. The east has yet to achieve a CASM lower than 12 cents in the last 2 decades. So what happens to an airplane on a route that realized modest profits under 7-8 cent CASM that now bears the burden of a 12-14 cent CASM? I know I don't have to tell you that it gets removed from that route and put somewhere where it will make some profit. Smart business on behalf of the company but tough for employees. Why? We can clearly see that with the burden of their cost structure it will kill the west. So unfortunately the west will go the way of PSA (IMO). That is the reality. That is what we in the west fear! So tell me why after the life ring was tossed to our drowning victim they should pull us over board to use us for a flotation device? I choose the way of Nicolau. He knew the east would benefit to a much greater degree than the west and he crafted his SLI appropriately. Parker is no genious and therefore will not be able to devise a plan to counter the high CASM in the east. The simple and logical plan is to shrink and focus efforts out east where there can be some modest gains realized. Sorry but there is not a damn thing any east pilot can tell me that will convince me that their C&R's are fair. Especially in the context of my response!