Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[jbDC9]

Trying to place a 2005 hire in front of a 1988 hire will not be accepted in PHL, CLT or DCA. The jobs Westies bought to the merger reminds of the properties people had in Vegas and PHX. Worthless.

Worthless? You mean like being an '88 hire at US Air and all that gets you is being a junior FO? Genius.

Man, you and St Nic just keep on proving that you're the absolute biggest idiots on FI.

 

[MCDU]

That 1988 doh was a capt before and now has about 800 east pilots below him. Your new hire is and was always bottom.

M

 

[say again]

That 1988 doh was a capt before and now has about 800 east pilots below him. Your new hire is and was always bottom.

M

Key word....WAS. Don't f@#k over other pilots because you got screwed in the past.

 

[B727Driver]

Had there not been a buyer, your 1988 doh capt. would be on the street after the liquidation.

 

[MCDU]

Give me a break junior. Awa had no money and was owned 2/3 by the government. Look where all the profits are
made. Hardly out west. West jobs are worthless. easties did not sacrifice so some 28 year old ex Mesa can jump ahead of someone with 17 years.

M

 

[B727Driver]

Junior, think again.

Profits????

2 BK's, loss of pensions, huge paycuts and over 50% of your flying outsourced.

After all that, you can't help but make a profit.

 

[MCDU]

Junior, think again.

Profits????

2 BK's, loss of pensions, huge paycuts and over 50% of your flying outsourced.

After all that, you can't help but make a profit.

Nice avatar.

M

 

[xanderman]

Nice avatar.

M

That goes for the both of you! Wait... You don't think... Nah. Couldn't be! Is MCDU's avatar the bottom half of B727Driver's?!?!?!? Oh man! That would be a whole lotta woman!!!!!

 

[doh]

I love these threads! Vitriol right up to DFR II!

 

[BeCareful!]

Ooooooo Weeeee! Lots of east hubris here... Gotta love it. Don't forget boys and girls the company asked for a declaratory judgement. It may stir things up a bit. No matter what the east THINKS the 9th said it'll turn out one of two ways. Either DFR II when their DOH list is implemented or the DJ filing by the company will render USAPA's negotiations for anything other than the Nic DOA.

Doesn't matter guys. You either live up to your agreements or deal with the ******************** storm that we are living in.

No one voted on the "agreement" you speak of; ALPA doesn't allow it (USAPA is, of course, different in this regard.) In any case, I believe you'll find that with ALPA long gone, for myriad reasons, there is no party here any more that agreed to anything. Perhaps this will become clearer to you soon. The company's actions, as well as those of your crack lawyer, are going to bring this essential fact out (no matter how hard your pocket-judge tried to suppress it.)

 

[xanderman]

No one voted on the "agreement" you speak of; ALPA doesn't allow it (USAPA is, of course, different in this regard.)

I understand that. Did you know ALPA didn't allow that before the negotiation, mediation and subsequent arbitration? Did you ever think it may turn out unsatisfactory? I am glad that USAPA does allow voting, I'm no ALPA fan. But that in and of itself does not excuse the east from their obligation to live with terms their leadership negotiates. It's kinda like no one claiming they voted for the current contract...everyone still has to live with it.


In any case, I believe you'll find that with ALPA long gone, for myriad reasons, there is no party here any more that agreed to anything. Perhaps this will become clearer to you soon.[/quote]

Perhaps. I am sure that USAPA will get to negotiating right away now that they feel free to do so. When and if S22 is implemented we'll start DFR II. Don't take it personally. I don't take your DOH stance personally! It's just how things are gonna be...

The company's actions, as well as those of your crack lawyer, are going to bring this essential fact out (no matter how hard your pocket-judge tried to suppress it.)

We'll see won't we. Either way I do believe we all need to get on with life here. I think Nic is fair as it was rendered by a neutral third party and you feel USAPA's imposition of their ideology/DOH is fair. I get it man! It's whats good for you. Nic is what's good for me. Have a good weekend and see ya 'round...

 

[Ocity]

No one voted on the "agreement" you speak of; ALPA doesn't allow it (USAPA is, of course, different in this regard.) In any case, I believe you'll find that with ALPA long gone, for myriad reasons, there is no party here any more that agreed to anything. Perhaps this will become clearer to you soon. The company's actions, as well as those of your crack lawyer, are going to bring this essential fact out (no matter how hard your pocket-judge tried to suppress it.)

ALPA is not gone for "myriad" reasons. ALPA was voted off for one, singular solitary reason...to attempt to grant the East another bite at the apple. All of the pretense and lies were flushed out in the courtroom. There is no other arguments to make in that regard.

How many "parties" on the East voted for your ALPA contract? Funny how EVERY LETTER of that contract is still enforceable. Why? ALPA is gone. Why can't the company toss your contract and just inform you that you now make minimum wage with no benefits? Why is the company bound to honor a contract that you say doesn't apply to you any more because you changed your name?

See how easy it is to flush out the hypocrisy and lies? That's why it was so easy to convict those USAPA A-holes the first time around. The facts and merits have not changed, in fact USAPA's recent behavior have cemented their intentions to deal in bad faith to get what they demand. IOW the Case for AOL has gotten much easier to prove. Considering the fact that a JURY of 9 UNANIMOUSLY voted to convict USAPA of a DFR in under 90 minutes should make you just a tad leary of DFRII.

One way or another, USAPA is doomed. There is nothing based in record or fact to indicate otherwise.

 

[johnnyb]

ALPA is not gone for "myriad" reasons. ALPA was voted off for one, singular solitary reason...to attempt to grant the East another bite at the apple.

All of the pretense and lies were flushed out in the courtroom.

Funny, last time I checked 3 of 5 current ALPA DFR legal actions were by the East.

Courtroom? Guess you missed the latest yesterday .....

Judge Wake’s Order directs that “the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17, 2009 is vacated.” Furthermore, the Order mandates that the entire Addington action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

 

[becket]

Funny, last time I checked 3 of 5 current ALPA DFR legal actions were by the East.

Courtroom? Guess you missed the latest yesterday .....

Judge Wake’s Order directs that “the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17, 2009 is vacated.” Furthermore, the Order mandates that the entire Addington action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

Explain how a "victory" on ripeness is going to benefit you EVER? You know DRFII is just a pen stroke away...we all know how that turned out last time. Also, it's more than clear the company is having serious issues giving into your illegal demands. The 9th didn't do you any favors. In fact, the 9th has just kept you on LOA 93 for a few more years and in the end, You're still going to be forced to live to your agreements. YOU and YOUR PILOT GROUP...NOT THE NAME ON THE UNION DOOR! The nic. is going to be implemented. The 3 parties are contractually bound to it. No getting out of it.

The 9th had a chance to end this and they failed everybody. Square 1 with a clear vision of what the future holds (DFR Conviction) is hardly the victory I would have wanted if I were you.

 

[Cowboy75]

Funny, last time I checked 3 of 5 current ALPA DFR legal actions were by the East.

Courtroom? Guess you missed the latest yesterday .....

Judge Wake’s Order directs that “the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17, 2009 is vacated.” Furthermore, the Order mandates that the entire Addington action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

Let's see what happens when you present that fantasy list. For one, you don't know if the company will accept the list and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.

Two: DFRII