Scumbag cargo company Hall of Shame

[jmreii]

The pilots at UPS seem to be the only ones that are taken care of at UPS. I am sure they dont want to take on management for someone else's sake. At least for the subcontractors/pliots it is just a temporary job on the way up. To hear the UPS drivers tell it, they are the ones getting abused.

Schedules that does not allow them to take lunches even though they are off the clock for an hour each day.

Forced to work O.T. without a choice.

.....and the drivers have a union, the UPS driver said "thank god for the union" this morning.


At least UPS is conscientious of overtime when it comes to meeting the planes in the morning, so what if the pilot has to wait 30+ minutes for the driver to show.

The truck/van drivers at ups and fredex that are not contractors are employees. In many cases they are better off then many feeder pilots who are not employees. Ups pilots have no reason to become involved in the problems of their feeder partners knowing you could be replaced at anytime. Most aviation companies I have been involve with love their ground employees and hated their pilots, go figure.

 

[LittleLearBoy]

Anybody ever heard of Commerical Aviation Enterprise??? I'm not even sure if they are still around.

Bad Bad News. Makes Bankair look like a 121 outfit.

 

[RefugePilot]

The truck/van drivers at ups and fredex that are not contractors are employees. In many cases they are better off then many feeder pilots who are not employees.

I would think that all UPS employees, at least the drivers, have it better than the contract freight pilots. The new driver who brings the freight at night, works part time, just so he can get insurance for him and his kid still makes the same hourly as a Be99 pilot, and that is while he is on probation.

 

[dutch747]

I would think that all UPS employees, at least the drivers, have it better than the contract freight pilots. The new driver who brings the freight at night, works part time, just so he can get insurance for him and his kid still makes the same hourly as a Be99 pilot, and that is while he is on probation.

When are you brains going to get it through your thick skulls? Pilots work for next to nothing because they will. WE are our own worst enemies. Stop blaming management and start saying STOP.

I know many of you have heard this before but there is page after page of this whining about these scumbag outfits but yet they get away with it...Why? Because we Pilots let them.

 

[pilotyip]

Most pilots do not work for next to nothing, exceept starting out, most make a decent living. Well above the national average. In in ten years in this busienss you should be in the upper 10%-15% of all US individual wage earners. All that without a college degree.

 

[J and E's Daddy]

Anyone knew anything on Fine Air?
I didn't know much about them.

 

[dutch747]

Most pilots do not work for next to nothing, exceept starting out, most make a decent living. Well above the national average. In in ten years in this busienss you should be in the upper 10%-15% of all US individual wage earners. All that without a college degree.

I don't agree with what your saying here. Fact is pilots made more 10 years ago then they do today. But if what your saying is true, then whats everyone bitchin for?

 

[McNugget]

Anyone knew anything on Fine Air?
I didn't know much about them.

Fine and Arrow merged, keeping the Arrow name because of the Aug 1997 crash. (Wow, has it been 10 years already?) Negligent homicide on Fine Air's part.

 

[EatSleepFly]

I don't agree with what your saying here. Fact is pilots made more 10 years ago then they do today. But if what your saying is true, then whats everyone bitchin for?

I've never met anyone, pilot or not, that doesn't wish that they made more money. Thinking you are (or actually being) underpaid is NOT unique to the aviation industry.

Pilots work for next to nothing because they will. WE are our own worst enemies. Stop blaming management and start saying STOP.

It's always been that way, and unfortunately it will probably always be that way.

 

[pilotyip]

Eatsleep, stop dealing with reality, this is a pilot board.

 

[MINIME]

Pilotyip,

I thought your responses about your company were straight forward and quite refreshing to be honest. I appreciate your honesty on the subject. I'm sure that most of your pilots that move on feel that they got their money's worth while working there.

The bigger question however, is if you still see a bigger pilot shortage than the one that the regionals are experiencing? Seems to me like the majors have no trouble whatsoever picking exactly what they want when they want. You still need to know someone at places like DAL, CAL, AAI, JBLUE, FEDX, UPS and I'm sure even UAL now that they'll be hiring. I don't think that holds true to same extent when dealing with SWA. Me thinks that there's still a surplus of well qualified pilots out there. What do you say?

 

[pilotyip]

Redefinied Competitive

MIN There will be a redefinition of well qualifed. UAL/DAL/etc, even NWA will have lots of pilots to chose from but the average of the qualifications will continue to decline. But they will get the best pilots available.

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

Most pilots do not work for next to nothing, exceept starting out, most make a decent living. Well above the national average. In in ten years in this busienss you should be in the upper 10%-15% of all US individual wage earners. All that without a college degree.

I think you're a bit off the mark there. At the Major airline level with a few years of seniority your comments bear an element of truth. If you're flying
for a part 135 operator or regional your wage, considering your duties and responsibilities are appalling.

I was informed by one of my colleagues that a meter maid in the City of Portland starts out at a wage that better most of our BE99 pilots and tops out near the top of our Metro pay scale ($34000-45000 as read in the Oregonian).

Perhaps I need a new job writing parking tickets!

 

[pilotyip]

Why 135?

I think you're a bit off the mark there. At the Major airline level with a few years of seniority your comments bear an element of truth. If you're flying
for a part 135 operator or regional your wage, considering your duties and responsibilities are appalling.

Why stay at a low paying 135? If you have 135 PIC mins there are lots of other jobs out there. Even USA Jet guys regularily rub against the 100K mark after 10 years.

 

[pilotyip]

why 135?

I think you're a bit off the mark there. At the Major airline level with a few years of seniority your comments bear an element of truth. If you're flying
for a part 135 operator or regional your wage, considering your duties and responsibilities are appalling.

Why would someone stay in the 135 world? If you have135 PIC mins there are lots of other jobs out there. Even USA Jet pilot flying 135 rub against 100K after 10 years.

 

[hammer2]

Why would someone stay in the 135 world? If you have135 PIC mins there are lots of other jobs out there. Even USA Jet pilot flying 135 rub against 100K after 10 years.

After 10 years of usa jet, you would be ready to shoot yourself.

 

[LittleLearBoy]

Why would someone stay in the 135 world? If you have135 PIC mins there are lots of other jobs out there. Even USA Jet pilot flying 135 rub against 100K after 10 years.

Maybe that person likes where they are at?!?!?
Believe it or not, but people have many different likes/dislikes. If someone is at a 135 operations and likes it, then more power to them! More to life then money.

LLB

 

[pilotyip]

littlelear he was complaining about 135 like he wanted to leave, sure there are reasons to stay

 

[LittleLearBoy]

Pilotyip,

Who are you talking about wanting to leave??

LLB

 

[pilotyip]

Answer?

I think you're a bit off the mark there. At the Major airline level with a few years of seniority your comments bear an element of truth. If you're flying
for a part 135 operator or regional your wage, considering your duties and responsibilities are appalling.

I was informed by one of my colleagues that a meter maid in the City of Portland starts out at a wage that better most of our BE99 pilots and tops out near the top of our Metro pay scale ($34000-45000 as read in the Oregonian).

Perhaps I need a new job writing parking tickets!

Goes back to this post, talking about appalling 135 wages, if it is that bad move on, there are plenty of jobs out there. However if there are other things like location, QOL, etc. make it so you don't want to move; don't move. But don't say you don't like the job but don't wnat to change. Get it?