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[MINIME]

Pilotyip,

I thought your responses about your company were straight forward and quite refreshing to be honest. I appreciate your honesty on the subject. I'm sure that most of your pilots that move on feel that they got their money's worth while working there.

The bigger question however, is if you still see a bigger pilot shortage than the one that the regionals are experiencing? Seems to me like the majors have no trouble whatsoever picking exactly what they want when they want. You still need to know someone at places like DAL, CAL, AAI, JBLUE, FEDX, UPS and I'm sure even UAL now that they'll be hiring. I don't think that holds true to same extent when dealing with SWA. Me thinks that there's still a surplus of well qualified pilots out there. What do you say?

 

[pilotyip]

Redefinied Competitive

MIN There will be a redefinition of well qualifed. UAL/DAL/etc, even NWA will have lots of pilots to chose from but the average of the qualifications will continue to decline. But they will get the best pilots available.

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

Most pilots do not work for next to nothing, exceept starting out, most make a decent living. Well above the national average. In in ten years in this busienss you should be in the upper 10%-15% of all US individual wage earners. All that without a college degree.

I think you're a bit off the mark there. At the Major airline level with a few years of seniority your comments bear an element of truth. If you're flying
for a part 135 operator or regional your wage, considering your duties and responsibilities are appalling.

I was informed by one of my colleagues that a meter maid in the City of Portland starts out at a wage that better most of our BE99 pilots and tops out near the top of our Metro pay scale ($34000-45000 as read in the Oregonian).

Perhaps I need a new job writing parking tickets!

 

[pilotyip]

Why 135?

I think you're a bit off the mark there. At the Major airline level with a few years of seniority your comments bear an element of truth. If you're flying
for a part 135 operator or regional your wage, considering your duties and responsibilities are appalling.

Why stay at a low paying 135? If you have 135 PIC mins there are lots of other jobs out there. Even USA Jet guys regularily rub against the 100K mark after 10 years.

 

[pilotyip]

why 135?

I think you're a bit off the mark there. At the Major airline level with a few years of seniority your comments bear an element of truth. If you're flying
for a part 135 operator or regional your wage, considering your duties and responsibilities are appalling.

Why would someone stay in the 135 world? If you have135 PIC mins there are lots of other jobs out there. Even USA Jet pilot flying 135 rub against 100K after 10 years.

 

[hammer2]

Why would someone stay in the 135 world? If you have135 PIC mins there are lots of other jobs out there. Even USA Jet pilot flying 135 rub against 100K after 10 years.

After 10 years of usa jet, you would be ready to shoot yourself.

 

[LittleLearBoy]

Why would someone stay in the 135 world? If you have135 PIC mins there are lots of other jobs out there. Even USA Jet pilot flying 135 rub against 100K after 10 years.

Maybe that person likes where they are at?!?!?
Believe it or not, but people have many different likes/dislikes. If someone is at a 135 operations and likes it, then more power to them! More to life then money.

LLB

 

[pilotyip]

littlelear he was complaining about 135 like he wanted to leave, sure there are reasons to stay

 

[LittleLearBoy]

Pilotyip,

Who are you talking about wanting to leave??

LLB

 

[pilotyip]

Answer?

I think you're a bit off the mark there. At the Major airline level with a few years of seniority your comments bear an element of truth. If you're flying
for a part 135 operator or regional your wage, considering your duties and responsibilities are appalling.

I was informed by one of my colleagues that a meter maid in the City of Portland starts out at a wage that better most of our BE99 pilots and tops out near the top of our Metro pay scale ($34000-45000 as read in the Oregonian).

Perhaps I need a new job writing parking tickets!

Goes back to this post, talking about appalling 135 wages, if it is that bad move on, there are plenty of jobs out there. However if there are other things like location, QOL, etc. make it so you don't want to move; don't move. But don't say you don't like the job but don't wnat to change. Get it?

 

[J and E's Daddy]

Back when I flew Part 135, jobs were scarce and you took what you can get. Today, it isn't like that. Maybe things will change

 

[hawk16e]

After 10 years of usa jet, you would be ready to shoot yourself


I hope not. Or are you junior to me?

 

[kwick]

UPS, if you know their history.

 

[propilot]

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[dsee8driver]

T'would be good if the UPS Pilots and/or their union stood up for the feeder pilots.

It's some of the UPS pilots that treat others like crap. By personal experience and being on the receiving end... 75 capt out of Miami thought his poop did not stink last peak.

 

[satpak77]

MIN There will be a redefinition of well qualifed. UAL/DAL/etc, even NWA will have lots of pilots to chose from but the average of the qualifications will continue to decline. But they will get the best pilots available.

Yeah its not like we have a war with XXX thousands of pilots humping missions to and from the sandbox. I know alot of C-17 four engine glass cockpit transport ocean crossers who are sitting around at home and not getting anytime. Just bored to death. Can barely maintain currency.

Nor do we have 250 hour wonder-boys pipelined straight into glass RJ's, and fly nothing but the airline environment, and then apply to work at a Major.

For those in corporate aviation, nobody is flying HUD equipped globe trotting Jet-A equipment, its all Queen Air's and similar corporate stuff. Also some piston Twin Commanders. Nobody goes to Level-D sims every 6 months, put on by Simuflite or Flightsafety, receiving the highest quality sim training in the world.

Just like in past history, today's corporate fleet is light years behind the "airline equipment" flown at the majors.

Futhermore, today's applicant has been surfing the internet since age 10, and can learn how to program a GPS with ease, being tech-savvy from an early age.

Sure looks like the average of qualifications is sure to decline....

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

There will be a redefinition of well qualifed. UAL/DAL/etc, even NWA will have lots of pilots to chose from but the average of the qualifications will continue to decline.

When this happens in the stock market, they don't call it a "decline," they call it a "market correction."

For most of the 70+ years the commercial airlines have been in business, hiring requirements have been artificially high. Things like college degrees, job-application fees, type ratings, overwater experience, and diplomas from so-called "jet academys" are all examples of obstacles that have been thrown up to job-applicants that don't add materially to the quality of those selected. But...they're things you gotta do if you want to compete for jobs here.

This last downturn in the airline industry, like every one before it, has driven a lot of people out of the business. As the number of "job-applicants" draws closer to the number of "jobs available," perhaps some sanity will return to the hiring process. In that sense, this is more a "market correction" than a "decline in qualifications." It's about da*m time, too.

Anyway, that's my $.02 on the subject, and worth every penny you paid for it...

 

[Thug Life]

Funny stuff. I almost forgot about the old RL extracurricular work for water ski program. The get off the chain gang excuses used to get pretty creative. When were you there?

Go NOLES!!!!

 

[StandBy1]

Yeah.........right. How's that working for ya? At the time of this reply, Clemson is up 7 zip.

 

[StandBy1]

Aaaaaand Free Shoes U. just coughed it up. Looking gooooood!