Scumbag cargo company Hall of Shame

[PilotChapin]

I call BS on that Airnow AI forced flight thing. They may have had a few mishaps but they're not stupid.

I agree. And most of them were stupid pilot error.

 

[Captain Oveur]

Another pilot who doesn't have the experience
to admit he might ever make a mistake.....
The worst place I ever worked was Air Tahoma.
One thing I will admit, the owner, Bud Rude, was
out on the ramp in the middle of winter in the
middle of the night, helping service the planes. I
got the idea he would never ask his pilots to do
anything he wouldn't do himself. The only thing is,
I don't think there was ever a mechanical malfunction
HE wouldn't fly with. It's a miracle he survived. When
the pilots complained about the condition of the
planes, he'd accuse them of abusing the equipment.
There WERE a number of very good guys who flew
there, I just always wondered WHY?

 

[Flyguyz69]

I wouldn't worry about Ameristar sueing anyone since TW's brother got disbarred last year. Windsor how can you start a post about how bad a place is and then accept an upgrade for this month and sign another 18month DEATH CERTIFICATE? I can't believe this place is finding pilots after all the posts on this board and losing almost 40 pilots in the last year.

 

[stupidpilot]

I wouldn't worry about Ameristar sueing anyone since TW's brother got disbarred last year. Windsor how can you start a post about how bad a place is and then accept an upgrade for this month and sign another 18month DEATH CERTIFICATE? I can't believe this place is finding pilots after all the posts on this board and losing almost 40 pilots in the last year.

Hey, if nothing else is in the works why turn down a type & a raise? I'm sure he's looking just like everyone else there. If he's really lucky, when he leaves prior to his 18 months TW won't have the cash to go after him.

 

[JohnnyCash]

RP:

not sure what you mean by "the ups pilots seem to be the only ones taken care of by ups"

really don't know how to respond.

the drivers are the only one getting abused? how are they abused? did an abused driver tell you this?

so if i understand this thread, with reference to ups, drivers are abused and pilots are on easy street. hmm? do the pilots work for the same company as the drivers, do the pilots work for the same company that contracts feeder airlines? how about the hourly workforce, say anyone of several hundred thousand employees? i think its the same company- so something isn't adding up.

 

[Caboclo]

You know, I'm impressed; Key Lime has only gotten one vote so far. Speaking as a current Limer, I have to say it's a pretty good company. All the outstations have crew pads and crew cars, there's no hanging out at the FBO. If we start a new station and there is no pad or car yet, we get a hotel and rental car. I have many times approached the boss with problems about overweight, weather, mx, etc, and he has always resolved the problems properly and amicably. I think I have more mx write-ups than average, but I still feel like the company likes me. Sure, it's not perfect, I could whine and complain at length, but I really feel that there is much, much worse out there. I'm going to do my time and move on, but I don't regret at all coming here.

 

[jmreii]

Amerijet.

When it comes to treating feeder pilots: UPS still has some to learn from it's competitors. No pilot will touch the freight at DHL or Fedex. If he drops a box on his foot or pulls a muscle, a few thousand pounds of boxes will incur late charges. UPS saved itself $21.- it pays a driver if the pilot can load. DHL and Fedex use scales so you know excactly how much weight is in which compartement. Ups uses the guess method for weight, and the pilot can use the nose strut extension as a measurement for balance, a nice form is used to keep the feds happy in case something goes wrong. UPS pilots have a nice coffee maker in their lounge, the feeder pilots can use the pay-for-brown-water machine that the ramp rats use

Fredex owns the feeder aircraft and ground equipment, therefore he doesn't want the pilots touching the freight for liability reasons. This is the same reason their are no jumpseats available on the caravan. Fedex's rules, not the feeder company rules.

 

[metrodriver]

DHL does not own the feeder planes and their pilots, yet the pilots don't touch the freight. DHL rules.
Liability? Yes, towards the customer. Why? Pilot gets hurt, boxes will get delayed, $$$. Pilot loads 3000-4000lbs in 100+ degree heat, climbs in a 140 degree cockpit and passes out from heat exhaustion resulting in a big hole in the ground = more $$$$$ and negative publicity. DHL and Fedex don't want that. UPS thinks it saves money if they can send a driver home an hour early.

 

[jmreii]

The feeder aircraft for dhl are contract aircraft from ameriflight and air cargo carriers, they are not owned outright by dhl like the feeder aircraft at the fedex feeders.It is a good thing to know who's in charge.

 

[J and E's Daddy]

Saber Cargo Airlines

 

[falcon283]

I wouldn't worry about Ameristar sueing anyone since TW's brother got disbarred last year. Windsor how can you start a post about how bad a place is and then accept an upgrade for this month and sign another 18month DEATH CERTIFICATE? I can't believe this place is finding pilots after all the posts on this board and losing almost 40 pilots in the last year.

So what did Teddy Wachendorfer do in order to get disbarred?

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

Air Cargo Express was always good for cheating death and dodging feds! Glad I got out of there when I did. Did someone mention Key Lime?

Fly Safe!

 

[Cargoav8or]

Quote - "I believe the pilots at AMF tried to start a union a couple years ago, but it didn't work out. Personally I don't see it being all that effective where folks generally don't stay past a year or two."

Oh, let me guess.....the company made threats and everyone gave up????? Come on man, that's weak.

Anyone serious about decent working conditions at their company should contact either the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) or Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). When "UNION AUTHORIZATION CARDS" are signed by a majority of eligible employees, the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) will oversee an election.

The cards are secret and the vote is secret.

Now you know. There's no excuse for accepting $hitty working conditions without doing something about it. Good luck.

 

[Captain Oveur]

Saber is still around?

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

Saber is still around?

Weren't they the DC3 operator out of Miami, OH?

 

[Buckeye]

Nope, they were out of CLT. Miami Valley Aviation was out of Middletowne, OH...Half way between DAY and CVG.

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

Nope, they were out of CLT. Miami Valley Aviation was out of Middletowne, OH...Half way between DAY and CVG.

Ah now it's coming back to me.... been away from the boxes too long! Thanks!

 

[J and E's Daddy]

Saber was out of CLT. They had all kinds of interesting people from illegal aliens to convicted felons working for them.
And even one ex professional wrestler.

 

[RefugePilot]

RP:

not sure what you mean by "the ups pilots seem to be the only ones taken care of by ups"

really don't know how to respond.

My comments are nothing against UPS pilots, I hope to meet some and have them be my best friends when I have the time to apply.

UPS pilots are one of the few in the industry that have not taken a huge layoff, lost their retirements, or have had their pay drubbed down during contract negotiations. UPS is on a short list of dream jobs when it comes to aviation at least at this time. I am sure this has not been easy when it comes to contract negotiations as UPS bargains hard at the negotiation tables. The last thing on my mind during negotiations would be another driver to show up each morning so the subcontractor doesn't have to touch the boxes.

As far as driver satisfaction after 12 months of working with them here are my observations:

I would say the satisfaction ratio of the drivers is less than 50%, at least as far as the ones who have to come out to the airport early or late to meet the pilots. Granted many of these are the new guys without enough seniority to get out of this assignment. It sucks to be the FNG no matter where you are, especially in aviation, so I take what they say with a grain of salt.

The complaints I have heard from the Senior drivers are generally long hours and increased pressures and decreasing benefits.

Whenever someone calls in sick or is given vacation, the rest of the drivers are expected to split up the routes, creating forced overtime. One driver a month or so ago, was supposed to have a meeting for the coaching he does that evening, but had to cancel because someone was on vacation and he had to cover part of the route, he was told that morning he had to stay late. I heard his long list of gripes while we unloaded that day.

The max weights have risen over the years from 50 to 70 to 150 lbs. Besides the potential risk of injury moving a 100+lb box solo, it is hard to manage the same # of units when some of them take many minutes to offload. I believe bonuses or overtime is awarded based on units delivered.

I am not sure of what causes this but I have heard many drivers claim to have to work through lunch to get the job done in time.

Since we generally deliver to remote or smaller towns medical treatment may be limited. On my current run to a resort town with resort prices many of the health car providers will not accept certain PPOs or insurance providers. One of the local FAA medical examiners does not take insurance and wanted to charge $180. The nearest larger medical facility is 2 hours away. Great health benefits 2 hours away is not a great asset, unless you can get an entire day off when you need to visit.

 

[haulingthemail]

ATI is one