scab list by company

[bluejet]

To PCL 128:
Shame on you!!!!
You think that having 3 years on 121 ops with 1250 hrs flying a light twin or B1900 gives you the right to know it all. Most of us in this forum have more time TAXI time on jets that you have total time. You need an attitude check. Trust me on this one you will not go very far on this industry with all that negativity. Tell us did you pay for your job? and if you did what makes you different than a SCAB! I would love to see you try to apply to my airline. First of all even if you fly that beech for 500 years you will not qualify! and second with your attitude you will never be here....
I promise you that!!!!!!!!!
Good Luck

 

[FL717]

And for the diaper wearin', ALPA- quoting, soapbox standing, right-seat-renting, RJ gearbitch-

LOLOL!!!!

 

[FL717]

My current focus is not to use the APU to much and keep the ink black.

Amen Brother!!!

 

[Boeingman]

Your insults mean nothing to me, being as they are coming from a bunch of whining, spineless wimps. Good day!

I could assure you that you spend some time with me crossing the pond, you'd get a lecture about your ilk and their actions that cheapen the profession. Those like you who rely on mommy and daddy to write a check to get your career "jumpstarted" allow the scum bag operators to pay lousy wages. Which in turn puts downward pressure on all salaries and benefits. You also cost those more qualified a seat based on nothing but greed of the rent a seat operation. And most certainly your seat was gained not on your qualifications. Those like yourself who will do anything to just jerk off and fly a jet....at any price, cost all of us in the long run.

Honestly, I'd be more concerned about a job action having guys like you cross our picket line then guys at CAL on the list. Most of the CAL scabs crossed because there was an underlying factor in their decision, and that was pure, unadulterated bitterness toward ALPA. What can we say about you and your motivations? Aside from "daddy, please pay for my job"..."Please daddy......please, I just want to fly jets, I don't care what it pays because I know you'll send money".

Incidentally, if you think ALPA sanctions the list....give Herndon a call and ask them for one tomorrow. The suit you're referring to was an attempt by those Plaintiffs to assign liability to ALPA and the judge did not agree. It did not have anything to do with an "official" scab list published by ALPA.

And speaking of spineless, I spent 25 months on a picket line in an attempt to keep the profession to a higher standard. Those like you are nothing but opportunists who do not earn their jobs. Yes, that is the exact same vein as a scab. And son, I can assure you should you take your attitude with me, the outcome would not be pleasant. The replies mean nothing to you, just like the insults (and the list) mean nothing to a scab. Because you the opportunist, like a scab, have no true integrity. Same type of mark, but just a different shade of color.

Think what you wish, but your actions and the ilk like yourself, do cheapen the entire profession. Your "3 years of 121" and a quarter will do nothing but get yourself a cup of coffee. I wouldn't even attempt to try and make you understand via this format. It would do no good. Judging by your posts of this and other topics, I can tell you're nothing but a spoiled little brat who has had everything handed to him on a silver platter. Including your career to date.

Christ, what a know it all.

 

[Boeingman]

Re: Re: scab list

It did happen to Boeingman, and he "gets it". Maybe someone needs to explain it to YOU.

Thanks.

 

[viking737]

PCL 128

I have no sympathy for scabs, and I DO check my scablist
every time there is a jumpseater. (they will not go on my flight)
Just wondering what made you give money to Tom Cooper
at Gulfstream ( if I understand correctly you spent time there)
.........

 

[PCL_128]

To PCL 128:
Shame on you!!!!
You think that having 3 years on 121 ops with 1250 hrs flying a light twin or B1900 gives you the right to know it all. Most of us in this forum have more time TAXI time on jets that you have total time. You need an attitude check.

I didn't mean to imply that I am all knowing with my measly 1300 hours. What I meant was this: You would think with all of the PFT bashing that goes on around here that in 3 years I would have come into contact with someone that would confront me about it. It hasn't happened. I know for a fact that certain people at this company (Pinnacle) are extremely anti-PFT, yet when I see them they say nothing to me about it. Not one person has said a word to me about PFT since I came to Pinnacle over a year ago. Seems strange to me. That's all I meant.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL 128

I have no sympathy for scabs, and I DO check my scablist
every time there is a jumpseater. (they will not go on my flight)
Just wondering what made you give money to Tom Cooper
at Gulfstream ( if I understand correctly you spent time there)
.........

Although I knew all about EAL, Lorenzo, and the SCABs before coming to GIA, I didn't have any idea that the company president was an EAL SCAB. I didn't have a copy of the list at the time, nor would I have thought to look. The thought never occured to me that GIA might be run by SCABs. In fact, most of the pilots I know from Delta and USAir weren't aware of it either. Every major airline pilot I've ever talked to about GIA (before and after going) thought that the GIA First Officer program sounded like a great idea.

Now that I know about Cooper and the others, I would not recommend anyone giving him their money. Unfortunately, not everyone knows about Cooper before they get there.

My experience has been that the anti-PFT crowd is nothing but a very vocal minority. The few people that are so vehemently against PFT are usually cowards and would never say anything to my face. I'll hold that opinion until somebody actually does say something to me. Until then, I have no reason to think anything else is the truth. Boeingman, maybe you would be the one person to have the courage to confront me about, but I guess we'll never know. I can only speak of the people I've met at my company, and none of them have said anything to any of us former GIA pilots about PFT.

 

[FL717]

I know for a fact that certain people at this company (Pinnacle) are extremely anti-PFT, yet when I see them they say nothing to me about it. Not one person has said a word to me about PFT since I came to Pinnacle over a year ago. Seems strange to me. That's all I meant.

If you know "for a fact" that they are anti-PFT then obviously they have made their views known, or how else would you know how they feel? What do you expect... someone to come to work and go fist-to-cuffs with you?! Its called workplace "PROFESSIONALISM", but doesn't change how they feel or how they conduct themselves. You just don't get it. You continue to reinforce my points precisely. You have this immature schoolyard bully mentality about "issues" and it is very apparent in your posts. You also have this split personality regarding integrity. Finally, your lame excuse regarding not fully knowing about GIA isn't working. A quick search of your posts on other threads prove this simply untrue.

This thread has become like that part in the movie "Airplane" where the passengers line up to smack sense into the hysterical woman, in this case the part of the woman is played by PCL_128.

I'm done.

 

[wil]

Gulfstream is not PFT, it is rent a seat. We have PFT'ers at ASA but they went through the FSI program and then were hired by ASA. But, they had to get through the program first to get to ASA. FSI had nothing invested in the student so it was pass or fail. I know of several pilots (new hire and transition) that were given additional sim sessions to get them ready for their checkride. Obviously, ASA had a lot invested in them and wanted them to succeed. GIA is renting a seat in a plane that can be flown single pilot and I'm sure the Captains there are single pilot most of the time as they baby sit the seat renter.
GIA is not the same as Comair or ASA of the past- no where near. PFT at FSI and seat renting are not the same!
Now, PCL_128 you are at Pinnacle. I will extend you the professional courtesy of a ride on my aircraft, anytime. I will tell you my opinion about GIA if I know you are from there but I would not deny you a ride. That said, I would not welcome a current GIA pilot, no way. That had better get that thumb moistened! Fly safe- Wil

 

[KlingonLRDRVR]

46Driver quote:

"If any of them were brother Marines, I have an obligation that vastly supercedes ALPA. Likewise, as a Christian, I believe there are a few things in the Bible about turning the other cheek and helping those around you. Flying is just a job."


46Driver you speak as a man of honor.

Semper Fi

KlingonLRDRVR

 

[fly4ever]

The last time GIA came up in a conversation with a couple of friends at majors, they let me know that GIA was started (still operated?) by an EAL scab. PFT and scab all rolled into one, the worst blight on the industry to ever exist.

 

[blott]

Central Florida Area Local 1462



The Scab
A Poem by: Jack London (1876-1916)

"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire,
he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab."

"A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul,
a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue.
Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles."

"When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and
angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."

"No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in,
or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab.
For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself." A scab has not.

"Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.
Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army."
The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and
his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God;
Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country;
a scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class."


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SCAB I AM

 

[PCL_128]

FlyChicaga:

The reason I put PFT Member in my profile has nothing to do with me being "proud" of PFT'ing. I'm neither proud nor ashamed of what I paid for.

The PFT Member statement in my profile is now there so no one can claim that I've been trying to hide it. Despite the fact that I've been very open about my PFT past, someone comes along every few weeks and makes note of the combination of my low time and BE-1900 and CL-65 time and state that I must be a GIA pilot. Inevitably, someone comes along in the next post and says something about me trying to hide it. This type of exchange has taken place several times, so I've decided to put PFT Member in my profile so there is no question anymore about whether I'm hiding my background or not.

 

[731convert]

PCL_128

How in the world could you go to GIA and not know who ran it and what he is. He has been doing that for a decade or more. You seem to have that scab list with you since birth but you still chose to support one. And you are anti scab? But you are pro PFT. What's the difference? They both caused good people jobs, houses, etc... Yet you sit on a high horse and preach to us all??? You are no different.

You have to be strong to stick to your guns at all time. Not just when it suits you. I realize you are young. God be with you as you grow up.

 

[KingAirGuy]

PFT

Not real up on the whole PFT thing.

Basically you go to a flight school and pay to be a right seater and monitor the standby load meter?

This prepares you for captaincy? I took the easy way out, 20 years service to the nation. Free flight school, experience and extended vacation to exotic places with names full lots of vowels.

I have no idea what the corporate culture where you currently work is, but open hostilities between crew members is considered rather unprofessional.

I'm a corporate pilot. I fly a couple of different aircraft. One crewed the other single pilot. I fly with some people I actually loathe to be next to. Do you actually think as we hit V1 I turn to them and say, "You know, you’re a real POS. I hate you and as soon as we hit the ground, I'm going to do a tap dance on your face? Oh, by the way rotate." Not too likely. It’s unprofessional, and creates an unsafe cockpit. As professionals we have to lift ourselves above petty personal dislikes and FTFA (Fly the F&*^ing Aircraft).

You seem to believe somehow that unless someone comes right out and tells you they think your a POS they are a gutless wonder. That just shows your lack of maturity. Its much more difficult to keep silent in the face of morons then to whine like a turbine. However that said, If I had issues with you, there would be no doubt in your coolaid pumping heart about where I stood. The invitation would always be open to discuss your shortcomings.

Anytime you want to earn some respect I suggest you call 1-800-USA-ARMY. I am sure there are operators waiting for your call.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Well said King Air Guy.

What is this pay for training stuff? And what airline is GIA?

I thought pay for training meant go to FlightSafety and pay for your own type or not get a salary while in training. You mean there are actually pilots who pay money to play dress up and be a pilot?

And hey kid (PCL_128) when one or two people think you are a jerk, who knows who is right or wrong. But when everyone thinks you are being a jerk it isn't cause you are some James-Dean-rebel-hero it's cause you are acting like a jerk.

 

[Boeingman]

PCL 128

I have no sympathy for scabs, and I DO check my scablist
every time there is a jumpseater. (they will not go on my flight)

Captain, I'll bet that makes you feel real good. Probably just as good as when that same scab you denied now kicks one (or all) of your fellow pilots off, probably for the rest of their career. Think about it. The scab will know they won't ride in the future, but how many of your unsuspecting brother pilots that need to get home or to work will walk up to their cockpit unprepared? Do you think they would want to have a word with you someday about your actions? Do you care? Somehow I don't think so.

Would it not be better to have a captive audience and educate these people? No one wins in a jumpseat war, except those who need to fill some deep emotional void. And save your breath, I would have the honor and grace of riding your jumpseat Captain.

Jesus people...grow up.

 

[Boeingman]

What is really amusing is the person who maintains this list, I believe was hired at XJET when it was a PFT operation. No wonder he doesn't list his name. Which in my opinion is a lack of balls in itself.

PCL did you call Herndon yet for your official copy? I didn't think so.

 

[viking737]

Boeingman

To be honest, it has been my experience that most scabs
don't even try to ride jumpseat on a union carrier.
In my 11 years as Capt., it has only happened to me twice,
one UAL and one ex-EAL.
Just can't get my self to offer someone a free ride that has done
to his fellow pilots what scabs have.
As far as educating them in the cockpit, I find it a bit late,
and of course not even possible with the current TSA
regs.

 

[BigFlyr]

That's the way all of you are. You get on this board and spew anti-PFT rhetoric out of your a$$, but all of you are nothing but cowards. You would never say anything to somebody's face

"Bold talk for a one-eyed fat man"...

 

[singlespeed]

PCL 128,

Don’t cheat your self or others, and don’t give all the angry pilots another reason to hate you by asking for a confrontation. Get some hours young man and by the way just an observation, how can you only have 1300 hrs and be flying 121 for 3 yrs. Hello can any one say red flag.

Peace out

 

[PCL_128]

Get some hours young man and by the way just an observation, how can you only have 1300 hrs and be flying 121 for 3 yrs. Hello can any one say red flag.

Peace out

I worked at Gulfstream for a little over a year and half. During that time I was working in the training department also, not just flying the line. That's why I don't have the flight time. I spent most of my time working at the training center, not flying. I needed the money more than the hours, and working in the training dept payed a lot more.

I've been at Pinnacle for a little under a year and half, and about 5 months of that was spent on reserve. I basically flew 150 hours the entire 5 months on reserve. That slowed down the hours accumulation also.

 

[aroundtheblock]

If ALPA is continuously "updating" the list then I guess that means not only are they adding names to the list but also subtracting names from the list. How else could they have welcomed Continental into their ranks.

 

[colorado418]

This thread has become like that part in the movie "Airplane" where the passengers line up to smack sense into the hysterical woman, in this case the part of the woman is played by PCL_128.

I'm done. [/B]

That was definately one of my favorite parts of the movie. I think that you have done well in a potential casting for an Airplane III

 

[canadflyau]

Wil posts:

Gulfstream is not PFT, it is rent a seat.

GIA is renting a seat in a plane that can be flown single pilot and I'm sure the Captains there are single pilot most of the time as they baby sit the seat renter.

The BE1900 may not be flown single pilot in a 121 environment. It requires a qualified SIC in the right seat.

 

[731convert]

Wil posts:




The BE1900 may not be flown single pilot in a 121 environment. It requires a qualified SIC in the right seat.

By 121 Regs you are right. But you don't know much about the rent a seat program. Any one with 1/2 a brain can pass a co-pilot check ride when you have a company that will only stand to gain if you pass. Doesn't mean the captain isn't flying single pilot. He has some one in the right seat that is paying to sit there for each and every hour! The PIC is having to do the job of two. That is not an SIC, that is a RAS "Rent A Seat"!!

 

[canadflyau]

missed the point

i thought the post implied that PFTers are doing no harm b/c if they weren't there Gulfstream would just operate the 1900's single pilot. That may make them sleep better, but that is not the case. A 1900 operated in a 121 environment must have a SIC on board, so Gulfstream would have to actually go out recruit, train and pay an SIC.

I understand that the feeling is the training and checkride process is compromised by the "rent a seat" as you call it. I totally agree, and I maintain that is just another detrimental effect to our profession of PFTers... and it boils down to safety.

 

[hmmm]

My Father and My Uncle were both screwed by the Eastern fiasco and many friends where I grew up in Miami Springs. Many people including myself had a very hard time getting a chance for college or even food. I paid my way through all my school and licenses with a wrench and was the youngest IA in the eastern US. Pay for trainers may have caused some of you a problem but not the trainess that went to them. We all paid for our training one way or another. Maybe some of you got on your knees to get that first job but pay for trainees put their money where their mouth is compared to what some other people here may have put in their mouth..

I work at PCL as well as PCL128 and I never paid for a job. And no i don't know him.

I would not have before but I tell you what, after reading some of these shi t head posts and growing up in the Eastern as well as Pan Am blowups I would now relish the idea of knocking a listed culprit from his ride.

Only and final comment on this thread.

 

[Ty Webb]

So, according to you, pilots either whipped out their checkbooks or "bobbed the knob", huh? Well, since you said you didn't pay, I guess we know which one you did.

As for the rest of us, we got the best job we could with the time we had, and worked our way up. I worked EMS for 3 years, working on an ambulance until I could find a flying job. If I had your skills, I guess I could have gone right to the top- right seat in a Beech 1900 for the whopping pay of minus $95.00 an hour.

I guess it all works out in the end.