Say Goodbye to MESA

[crj567]

Say goodbye? Why would Mesa operating in bankruptcy be different than every other airline that has been in bankruptcy or bankruptcies and are still operating? Nothing will change.

Bankruptcy law has changed. Plus they have to find someone stupid enough to finance their exit.
-I think they are probably done.
(I damn sure hope so.)

 

[hou757]

Isn't there a time limit on exiting ch. 11 now? It seems like it's a matter of months..

 

[rene]

Frontier fired them too.

I give up. It's not worth arguing anymore. Let's just assume that Mesa goes away because in all probability it will, sooner or later.

Everyone else will flourish. There will never be any competition and no regional airline will ever fail.

The network carriers will all agree to price increases so that the regional pilot contracts can be systematically improved to equal those of the network carriers.

Most of the naysayers on this board have no clue as to why the regional airline industry exists.

Folks, its as simple as this. It's a labor arbitrage.... PERIOD. Its about lower pilot pay. When those numbers no longer add up the ballgame will be over. For everyone.

1. The network airlines can buy aircraft at the same price ( I would argue they can buy them for less),
2. There is no need for the redundant management and excess overhead which the network carriers could absorb on their own.
3. The only value to the network carriers is the fact that we (regional pilots) fly for less. Substantially less than network pilots.
4. So let's raise the pay for all pilots across the industry, lets all go on strike to raise the bar.
5. Let's continue to bash Mesa or ASA or anyone else to promote our (your) own self interest.
6. In the end you will have the best contract with the highest wage rates and best work rules. But you will have no customers, they will all be gone.
7. Then there will be a very astute investor who will start a new airline, with wonderful leadership. He will promise and indeed even deliver a culture of satisfied employees. He might even offer profit sharing or stock options and 5 star hotels, and guaranteed days off, and peer review boards to resolve disputes, etc etc.
8. Pilots will line up. There will be five applicants for every position.
9. Then five years later give or take a month, the union will show up. They will denigrate management and drive wedges between the workers. There might even be a strike to extort higher wages.
10. And the cycle will continue. You get the picture.

1. Then five years later

 

[Taco Rocket]

Now I must disagree with Rene: Raise the bar, because ALPA loves you!

This isn't labor arbitrage! Different commuter managements exist for their unique, regional expertise. Comair knows everything about northern Kentucky: how could any other organization fill this unique knowledge gap? Similarly Salisbury would not be safe without Piedmont, the ever-true guardian of the eastern shore.

ALPA will work long and hard to ensure a return to the good ol' days; but first, be sure to finish reading Flying the Line. Because only then will you understand that ALPA is THE pilots' union, effective and secure in representing every pilot across the industry spectrum fairly, and without prejudice.

 

[Taco Rocket]

No, and with in house bankruptcy financing, that will be one fewer creditor to work with.

 

[Poahi]

I think you left out a few things.
The more they raise ticket prices the more people fly that other little airline overthere.You and JO can say whatever you want, mesa owns 75% of an airline that has never made money. You cannot cherry pick and hide any asset in bankruptsy court period. Go! is in BK.

go! is very much in bankruptcy. The JV between go! and Mokulele, however, is not. The JV is a very small part of the go! operation.

 

[IUSTACHECKEM]

April 7th

 

[IUSTACHECKEM]

Feb 22 is a big day also. 45 days prior. Sorry.

 

[tomcat]

Bankruptcy law has changed. Plus they have to find someone stupid enough to finance their exit.
-I think they are probably done.
(I damn sure hope so.)

I understand Mesa is the scourge of the earth for many, but what you are hoping for would result in thousands more of our aviation brothers and sisters on the street. I don't wish that on anyone right now. They have not directly made any decisions as to who they underbid for contracts, etc.

 

[Captzaahlie]

I understand Mesa is the scourge of the earth for many, but what you are hoping for would result in thousands more of our aviation brothers and sisters on the street. I don't wish that on anyone right now. They have not directly made any decisions as to who they underbid for contracts, etc.

It would do them a favor in the long run.....
I was furloughed for 1 1/2 yrs been there done that.

 

[USCtrojan]

The United Contract said the airplanes (200's and Dash's) said they would be in service NO LATER THAN April 30th. As I read the press release, those aircraft that are slated to be terminated from the agreement can and most likely will come out of service before April 30th.

Trojan

 

[topdawg]

I understand Mesa is the scourge of the earth for many, but what you are hoping for would result in thousands more of our aviation brothers and sisters on the street. I don't wish that on anyone right now. They have not directly made any decisions as to who they underbid for contracts, etc.

True..but they allowed JO to do it by flying for free. ********************'em

 

[CX880]

I s mesa still furloughing? whats the most junior pilot?

 

[Taco Rocket]

I s mesa still furloughing? whats the most junior pilot?

When it's over everyone left (~ 500 pilots, down from about 2000 at peak) will have been a captain or could have been a captain, if he so desired (and could upgrade).

That means somewhere around a 1999 hire date.