Say Goodbye to MESA

[CaribPilot]

I Love ASA, but they turned me down.

Oooo ok. Cool, carry on dork.

 

[nerjdriver]

You are still dealing in ancientr history. Mesa hasn't had crew shortage problems for over two years. THE UNITED DECISION WAS BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

I am curious why you think US will definately pull out in 2012? 38 86 seat airplanes is a lot of lift.

No. its because Mesa Sucks.

 

[nerjdriver]

Taken from APC today....


Calling Taco Rocket, Pdubs, Rene, Sniper..... calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard...

If I am reading that right they are planning on getting rid of everything but the CL 600s (700s right?).........

 

[go!ng for broke]

60,000 passengers per month, Average fares up $15 since the JV with Republic in October, aircraft rents will be down $50,000 per month. That adds up to a profit swing of $1,200,000 per month. In the worst of times when Republic was operating ERJ 170's the losses never exceeded $800,000. So they should be generating a profit consistently by now. They won't need and can't get any money from MAG.

Why do you think Go isn't in BK???

I think you left out a few things.
The more they raise ticket prices the more people fly that other little airline overthere.You and JO can say whatever you want, mesa owns 75% of an airline that has never made money. You cannot cherry pick and hide any asset in bankruptsy court period. Go! is in BK.

 

[rtmcfi]

And ASA has never been fired from it's partner like Mesa has - repeatedly - throughout it's history. (United in the 90's, Delta and United now)



So bash away........

Frontier fired them too.

 

[crj567]

Say goodbye? Why would Mesa operating in bankruptcy be different than every other airline that has been in bankruptcy or bankruptcies and are still operating? Nothing will change.

Bankruptcy law has changed. Plus they have to find someone stupid enough to finance their exit.
-I think they are probably done.
(I damn sure hope so.)

 

[hou757]

Isn't there a time limit on exiting ch. 11 now? It seems like it's a matter of months..

 

[rene]

Frontier fired them too.

I give up. It's not worth arguing anymore. Let's just assume that Mesa goes away because in all probability it will, sooner or later.

Everyone else will flourish. There will never be any competition and no regional airline will ever fail.

The network carriers will all agree to price increases so that the regional pilot contracts can be systematically improved to equal those of the network carriers.

Most of the naysayers on this board have no clue as to why the regional airline industry exists.

Folks, its as simple as this. It's a labor arbitrage.... PERIOD. Its about lower pilot pay. When those numbers no longer add up the ballgame will be over. For everyone.

1. The network airlines can buy aircraft at the same price ( I would argue they can buy them for less),
2. There is no need for the redundant management and excess overhead which the network carriers could absorb on their own.
3. The only value to the network carriers is the fact that we (regional pilots) fly for less. Substantially less than network pilots.
4. So let's raise the pay for all pilots across the industry, lets all go on strike to raise the bar.
5. Let's continue to bash Mesa or ASA or anyone else to promote our (your) own self interest.
6. In the end you will have the best contract with the highest wage rates and best work rules. But you will have no customers, they will all be gone.
7. Then there will be a very astute investor who will start a new airline, with wonderful leadership. He will promise and indeed even deliver a culture of satisfied employees. He might even offer profit sharing or stock options and 5 star hotels, and guaranteed days off, and peer review boards to resolve disputes, etc etc.
8. Pilots will line up. There will be five applicants for every position.
9. Then five years later give or take a month, the union will show up. They will denigrate management and drive wedges between the workers. There might even be a strike to extort higher wages.
10. And the cycle will continue. You get the picture.

1. Then five years later

 

[Taco Rocket]

Now I must disagree with Rene: Raise the bar, because ALPA loves you!

This isn't labor arbitrage! Different commuter managements exist for their unique, regional expertise. Comair knows everything about northern Kentucky: how could any other organization fill this unique knowledge gap? Similarly Salisbury would not be safe without Piedmont, the ever-true guardian of the eastern shore.

ALPA will work long and hard to ensure a return to the good ol' days; but first, be sure to finish reading Flying the Line. Because only then will you understand that ALPA is THE pilots' union, effective and secure in representing every pilot across the industry spectrum fairly, and without prejudice.

 

[Taco Rocket]

No, and with in house bankruptcy financing, that will be one fewer creditor to work with.