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By having those rates and the generous contract (for the company) you guys did ask for this

Weak argument. More so because YOU are part of the problem too. Yes you. You flying regional? Then YOU are part of the problem. You just needed someone to hate so why not RAH? What about the others that are flying CRJ900's? You are probably one of them. You hate us because our engines are under the wings? Whatever. And your logic - what about us that were not here during the last contract neg's? You are the problem in this industry. We will never become collective because you would rather fight from within where you, apparently, perceive that your opinion would convince people to walk off the job and put their families in peril instead of fight management where you know you have no opinion that will steer them. Pot calling the kettle black guys. Stop the immature putdowns. Really. If you are a regional airline pilot, you are the same as the other pilot in the other regional. Ask a mainline guy if he thinks that there is a diff. He will tell you no, I would bet. But I do know your type and you are gonna want to blame somebody all the time. So blame the mainline pilot groups for releasing scope.
 
Check your facts before you get high and mighty. Cornelius has sat in his mainline seat and watched RP pushback the next gate over and fly to the same cities, at a fraction of the crew cost. The same way it happens in MCI and MKE every day.

Our heart goes out to the MidEx pilots, y'all have been dealt a brutal hand.

So now we know at least one person we can blame for releasing scope. Right?
 
You melon farmers better taxi those E190's at a glacial pace, on two engines with the APU running, no-flex takeoffs, full-reverse every landing, and blast around at the barber pole at FL240 everywhere you go.
 
You melon farmers better taxi those E190's at a glacial pace, on two engines with the APU running, no-flex takeoffs, full-reverse every landing, and blast around at the barber pole at FL240 everywhere you go.

And what will that accomplish?
 
You want to set that efficiency bar low. In the long run, you'll help yourselves and everyone else if you make the numbers less attractive.
 
No regional airline has "raised the bar" since August of 2001.

See, I disagree. Maybe not in raw payrates, but at least in QOL and work rules, I think the bar has been raised. ARW, XJT, and ASA all built upon the CMR contract, unfortunately 2 of the 3 had to concede payrates later.

Hopefully RAH can knock one out of the park, given that they are one of the strongest regionals out there. I just don't think they will, though.
 
See, I disagree. Maybe not in raw payrates, but at least in QOL and work rules, I think the bar has been raised. ARW, XJT, and ASA all built upon the CMR contract, unfortunately 2 of the 3 had to concede payrates later.

I could be off by a few weeks, but I think the ARW 2001 contract (built by pattern bargaining upon the ACA & CMR CBAs) was voted for in Aug 2001 and took effect on Sept. 11th, 2001. In fact, in most if not all ways the 2001 ARW contract was slightly superior than CMR 2001, including slightly higher pay rates in both seats on the 50 seat jet.

I'll concede that payrates aren't everything in a contract and that workrules can effect one's W2s just as much or not more...but ASA 2007 (to my reading) didn't radically improve on anything that was in the 2001 agreements and in fact the pay rates in your contract (50 seat) are only marginally better than the 2003 ARW concessionary agreement. Same for XJT 2003 and their later contract extension (especially on their FO payrates) but they did have some major improvements from the 2001 agreements in their scheduling section.

Hopefully RAH can knock one out of the park, given that they are one of the strongest regionals out there. I just don't think they will, though.

Its all about managed expectations...both of their pilots and everybody else paying attention. That's especially true in the current economic environment; if I were management I'd be tripping over myself to get an agreement signed NOW so I can take advantage of it later during the economic recovery.

If RAH gets a 3.5:1 trip rig, 2:1 duty rig, 3-3.5hr min day pay, 100% cancellation pay, tweaks their scheduling section in regards to PBS and trip trade/drops, brings FOs up to at or near 60% of CA pay, and gets their payrates anywhere near ARW 2001 numbers it'll pass by a wide margin and IMO should keep most of the "disinterested parties" appeased.

With that said, the 2005 rates from the ARW 2001 CBA for the BAE-146 represent about 10% above the 2007 99 seat rates from the CHQ 2003 CBA...which are still about 7.5% below JBLU's current E190 rates (but higher than LCC CA rates from Year 6 and beyond).

But as you say, we'll see where they end up; I honestly don't think the majority of RAH pilots wan't to be flying a 100 seat jet for the lowest wages in the entire industry.
 
Glad to see your priorities are in order. I cannot wait till an Indian FO will fly a 170 for half what you do. I pray you have one of those worthless "Aeronautical" degrees when your butt hits the street and I can hire you to mow my lawn.
But wait.....He paid 100k for that degree...that means its worth...a.....lawnmower job!
Classic! Made my day!
PBR
 
And what will that accomplish?
It will show management that the single largest cost variable is the guy in the left seat. As soon as you learn that you will take the steering wheel out of your tater and jam it back into mgmts, where it belongs. Actually the empowerment that come from knowing that you can determine profits and loss, not just from fuel, but from operating style, full power T/O, low alt ops, no shortcuts, and lots of APU ops will drive the overhaul cost into the UhOh range. At SKYW the "flysafe" period lasted 2 weeks after the company shunned pilot pay negotions, and the pilots said FU and took no shortcuts and operated exactly according to the policy manual/flight plan. MGMT folded like a cheap card table after 2 short weeks!
PBR
 
You melon farmers better taxi those E190's at a glacial pace, on two engines with the APU running, no-flex takeoffs, full-reverse every landing, and blast around at the barber pole at FL240 everywhere you go.

So we can burn through oil supplies quicker, put more co2 in the atmosphere, and hasten the deaths to come in the fight over natural resources? Thanks for the mandate, but I'm going to politely disregard it. If I'm assigned a 190, I'll continue to conserve fuel and be as efficient as i can. There's an awful lot more to life than ninety-nine seat aircraft coming to the regionals.
 
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So we can burn through oil supplies quicker, put more co2 in the atmosphere, and hasten the deaths to come in the fight over natural resources? Thanks for the mandate, but I'm going to politely disregard it. If I'm assigned a 190, I'll continue to conserve fuel and be as efficient as i can. There's an awful lot more to life than ninety-nine seat aircraft coming to the regionals.


We're talking about 2 (two) Embraer 190s here right!?

Your company loves you! May you fly the E190 at Republic for all your days.
 
So we can burn through oil supplies quicker, put more co2 in the atmosphere, and hasten the deaths to come in the fight over natural resources? Thanks for the mandate, but I'm going to politely disregard it. If I'm assigned a 190, I'll continue to conserve fuel and be as efficient as i can. There's an awful lot more to life than ninety-nine seat aircraft coming to the regionals.

Awesome be sure and let those midwest pilots know that as you pass by them in your 190s but its ok you are saving them from excessive carbon foot prints. Management is so lucky to have such a courageous pilot as you fighting those evil oil companies :rolleyes:. Hey at least you are saving the earth from their big bad 717s. Your right there is more to life then 99 seat planes be sure and part those words of wisdom on their pilots as they try to find some new way to feed their families.
 
Awesome be sure and let those midwest pilots know that as you pass by them in your 190s but its ok you are saving them from excessive carbon foot prints. Management is so lucky to have such a courageous pilot as you fighting those evil oil companies :rolleyes:. Hey at least you are saving the earth from their big bad 717s. Your right there is more to life then 99 seat planes be sure and part those words of wisdom on their pilots as they try to find some new way to feed their families.

A search of the forums would tell you how I feel about what's going on. Much easier to just attack me than find out how I really feel about things though, isn't it? As far as burning a lot of gas and the current situation, it will not save one midwest pilot job at all. The only thing that would make a difference would be ALL pilots walking off all jobs simultaneously and dictating to management at all airlines how things will be. I guess I just don't see that happening, but if it should come to pass, count on me. We could all refuse to fly the 190 here and get fired I suppose, and all of you will support us financially until market forces allow us to be hired at your airlines with the same relative pay and seniority we have here for our valiant stand for our comrades at midwest, right?

With that I am out of here. This site is a demoralizing waste of time. Remember, don't let market forces or poor treatment by management compromise your duty to excel at your position.
 
All you guys/gals on here bitching sound like a bunch of school girls! How you can blame a pilot group for an aircraft order they had no say in befuddles me. Not only that, we are 2 years into an expired contract, with ongoing negotiations. Your anger is curiously misdirected at a pilot group, when it should be focused on the managment teams of RAH & ME. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that you are either: 1. uninformed 2. A bitch, pick one.
 
RatherBsurfing, it was a demoralizing waste of time reading your posts.
 
rates- republic doesn't even have a 100 seat scale. And when everyone looks at the wrong scale all they say is year 1 CA pay.....look at the mid and high range of that pay- that ********************'s comparable to jetblue/airways etc. as for the contract- yup it's a 6 year old regional contract, many others are worse.

that's not the point, the point is a regional flying 100 seat feed for anyone sucks arse.

Don't forget that at the 12 year mark, our captains make more than an Airways Cpt. Yup, you read that right.
 
Don't forget that at the 12 year mark, our captains make more than an Airways Cpt. Yup, you read that right.

And how are those FO rates on a 99 seat aircraft..... To those that say don't blame the pilots, I agree and don't agree to a point. I always find it amusing that republic pilots always push the blame on everybody but themselves, blameing management, scope clauses, etc, but the fact remains that it is both managements fault AND the pilots fault for signing such substandard rates for those aircraft, ergo making them more attractive to be farmed out.

BTW, do you know why those US Airways rates are so low? Because Airways management said fly them for these rates or Republic will. Also, while your raw rates might be higher, your lack of work rules, soft pay, and things such as cancelation pay unless you make a certain completion factor make your rates significantly less impressive. I would have a lot less problem with you guys getting 190s if your pay was actually respectable, but right now, especially for your FO's, its laughable.

A bunch of you told me 2 months ago that you did NOT want an industry leading contract, but rather an industry standard contract so that you would not stagnate and would continue to grow. Well, we all see where this "growth" is heading, so I say again, what kind of contract do you want? This is now where action counts. Are you going to be bitches and take lower rates to get a bunch of E190s, or are you going for the cup and demand jet blue+. If you had Jetblue rates + a %, I don't think you would be getting half the ******************** you are now.
 
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Don't worry the Republic house of cards will fold soon enough. Hitch your wagon to enough sinking boats and you will get sucked down with them too!
PBR
 
Don't forget that at the 12 year mark, our captains make more than an Airways Cpt. Yup, you read that right.

at 12 yrs the US Air E190 CA could be an FO an another aircraft and make more money, can't say that at Republic.
 
at 12 yrs the US Air E190 CA could be an FO an another aircraft and make more money, can't say that at Republic.


That is exactly right! I hate hearing that argument from some of these Kool-Aid drinkers.

"Oh but look at our 190 pay vs. USAir"

Our starting point (pay) should be at least ( JetBlue + ) *

Maybe we can get some bagtags :erm:

*New 6/1/09 rates.
 
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Southern Meatloaf Recipe

I wanted to make a truly southern meatloaf like my grandmother made when I went to visit her. She never wrote her recipe down. It was always there in her head, but I never took the time to write it down. I think this is the closest I've come to reproducing Grandma's best meatloaf. I hope you enjoy it as much as we have.

Southern Meatloaf Ingredients

• 2 pounds ground beef
• 1/2 pound fresh ground pork
• 1 cup dry bread crumbs
• 2 teaspoons salt
• 1/2 teaspoon pepper
• 1 large egg
• 3 tablespoons butter
• 1/2 cup hot water

Southern Meatloaf Recipe Directions

Place a medium sized baking pan into a cool oven and heat oven to 350 degrees.

Place the hot water into a large mixing bowl and add the butter. Stir until completely melted. Add all remaining ingredients and mix well.

Shape mixture into a loaf and place in heated baking pan. Cook your meatloaf for approximately 40 minutes or until an internal temperature of 170 degrees has been reached.

Don't overcook or the meatloaf will be dry. You may serve this southern meatloaf either hot or cold. My kids like to use ketchup when eating this, but I prefer sauteed onions on the top of mine.

This recipe also freezes well, so it can be a good idea to double the recipe and make 2 loaves of meatloaf at once. It will take a bit longer to cook 2 meatloaves, but use an internal meat thermometer to test for doneness. Cool 2nd meatloaf completely before covering in freezer wrap and storing in your freezer for another night. Thaw in your refrigerator and reheat in 350 degree oven. Cover the meatloaf with aluminum foil while reheating to make sure the meatloaf doesn't dry out.

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Ah, horror. Is it wrong to say this might be director Sam Raimi’s most serious horror flick of all time? While his trademark dark sense of humor oozes throughout the production, even at its most hopeful, you can’t shake the main character’s sense of impending doom, driving her further into desperation. What is also interesting about the character of Christine is that she isn’t weak-willed or an easy victim; she fights back every chance she gets and you can’t help but want to see her succeed. Couple this with a production balanced between practical and computer-enhanced effects, and you get a rare gem of a horror film that resonates on many levels. Mr. Raimi, you have been missed.

The script by Sam and Ivan Raimi also doesn’t shy away from tried and true conventions: a gypsy curse, fortune teller advisers, seances, and a skeptical boyfriend (who’s a clinical psychologist, no less). Scenes of torment also begin with practical and familiar things (shadows, rusty gates, lightning), making you wonder how much is mere suggestion or what could be an elaborate hoax to bilk a desperate woman out of thousands of dollars. Each time, however, events go too far as the curse continues to fulfill itself. Sam Raimi isn’t only in familiar territory but appears to be wallowing in it like a happy pig in muddy pen (a feeling he also commits his two female leads to as well).

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(a three skull recommendation out of four)
 
Thanks for the meatloaf recipe! I'll let you know how it turns out, most are too dry and dense, and you end up with the proverbial "meat brick".
 
It looks like we've all been hoodwinked by management in our negotiations. We didn't forsee an actual arrival of 190s while negotiating the last contract, the Midwest pilots didn't forsee securing solid scope as paramount. Now both groups are going to eat ********************. One more than the other, sadly.

Worst part(other than the destruction of a once proud airline), they'll probably remove one seat to get it to the 99 seat limit, we'll fly it for peanuts, and we'll have to wait long years to hammer out a contract.

Thanks for being honest, really.

BTW any repubs care to educate me on when and WHY you guys approved such a large seat range in your pay, what is it, 76-99 seats for the same pay? Just curious is all. That one is now obviously biting you guys in the arse.
 

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