Republic to operate EMB-190s for Midwest

[Smoking Man]

And how are those FO rates on a 99 seat aircraft..... To those that say don't blame the pilots, I agree and don't agree to a point. I always find it amusing that republic pilots always push the blame on everybody but themselves, blameing management, scope clauses, etc, but the fact remains that it is both managements fault AND the pilots fault for signing such substandard rates for those aircraft, ergo making them more attractive to be farmed out.

the erosion continues.........

 

[BoilerUP]

Thanks for being honest, really.

BTW any repubs care to educate me on when and WHY you guys approved such a large seat range in your pay, what is it, 76-99 seats for the same pay? Just curious is all. That one is now obviously biting you guys in the arse.

Not a RAH pilot, but their 2003 contract had the same effective date as ARW's 2003 concessionary agreement...and their 79-99 seat CA payrate was slightly better than the ARW B146 concessionary rate beyond the 3rd year of longevity. Their negotiated 60-78 seat CA rates were also slightly better than the ARW 51-70 seat CA rate from 3rd year on.

No idea about the seating capacity range...but if I had to guess I'd say those rates were what the market would bear given the state of the regional airline industry in 2003...especially given the MAG contract ratified just a couple months earlier.

FO pay...not so much.

 

[enuffalready]

???

I have no idea why you guys even engage in this discussion. The ONLY group with any leverage is mainline and they are NOT going to ever spend any negotiating cap on bringing all pilots under one roof. It will continue to spiral, if one regional goes under, another will takes its place. The only thing that will stop this is if we get a series of planes in the dirt in which case there is so much pressure that the airlines are required to have one list. Of course I don't wish for that, but sadly its true.

 

[king10pin02]

Thanks for being honest, really.

BTW any repubs care to educate me on when and WHY you guys approved such a large seat range in your pay, what is it, 76-99 seats for the same pay? Just curious is all. That one is now obviously biting you guys in the arse.

you think we are the only regional with pay scales over 70 seats? i think not. the writing was on the wall almost a decade ago. sadly our contact was signed before i was on our list, but dont blame our 1000+ pilots who were NOT on our list before it was signed for it. give us a chance to fix it before we are written off with the likes of gojets and mesa. This is the direction the industry is moving...lead follow, or get out of the way.

 

[CitationLover]

This is the direction the industry is moving...lead follow, or get out of the way.

Glad you enjoy it. Bid for MKE.

 

[Metro752]

If you bid for MKE, and get the award after bidding voluntarily, be so kind as to personally give your personal info here.

 

[jborsdrf]

Right because if no one bids it the problem fixes itself...right...lets not be f#cking ridiculous. If you live in MKE and are tough enough to fight your way out of employee lot every night go for it. Seriously though these airplanes are going to fly even if the company has to displace to most junior guys in the system into it. Not bidding it really doesn't change anything, nor does posting the names of those who do. The issues and mistakes that have brought us to this juncture exist at a higher level than the desires of 20 individuals...reguardless if they're names are posted on the internet or not.

 

[Bluestreak]

If you bid for MKE, and get the award after bidding voluntarily, be so kind as to personally give your personal info here.

Hah ! Why,what are you gonna do tough guy ? Nothing.Zilch.Zero,that's what.Come back when you grow a pair.Pfffft...

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

We did not vote for any 190 pay scale!!! Nor have we had changes for a 190 pay scale!!! Our Contract does go up to 99 seats. 100 is a whole different ball game!! 100 seats looks like the configuration of the airplanes. 1 seat does make a difference. I am sure we will be fighting for more money.

Would not surprise me if ur management took out that one seat. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Would not surprise me if ur management took out that one seat. Stranger things have happened.

This is what I would expect them to do. It's the most cost efficient thing. They would probably leave the seat rails exposed so it looks ghetto fabulous. I would support the company as much as I could but some things are just rediculous and look so amateur, for instance, the ERJ in Delta colors with one of the two rudders painted up in COex colors. Now that's class right there!

 

[Captain Morgan]

Hah ! Why,what are you gonna do tough guy ? Nothing.Zilch.Zero,that's what.Come back when you grow a pair.Pfffft...

Haha! Que the "Keyboard Commando" picture!

 

[samballs]

This is what I would expect them to do. It's the most cost efficient thing. They would probably leave the seat rails exposed so it looks ghetto fabulous. I would support the company as much as I could but some things are just rediculous and look so amateur, for instance, the ERJ in Delta colors with one of the two rudders painted up in COex colors. Now that's class right there!

I like that plane, it explains what kind of airline you guys are.

 

[Captain Morgan]

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I like that plane, it explains what kind of airline you guys are.

As comical as it is, we are an airline that gets things done. When you see a pieced together airplane you have to ask yourself two questions:

1) Is this airline slapping parts on and skimping on procedures and materials?

or

2) Is this airline slapping parts on and getting the job done correctly and efficiently?

It's one of the two. Of course I can't say I've ever seen a United, USairways, or Delta plane with different colored nose cones or cowlings. :erm:

 

[Grey Ghost]

If you bid for MKE, and get the award after bidding voluntarily, be so kind as to personally give your personal info here.

OK, as long as you give a list of which Gay bars you hang out at???:uzi:

 

[Metro752]

What's wrong with giving the 20 "chosen" Republic pilots a little well deserved recognition?

We should all be allowed to bask in their victory in being assigned to an E190 for the generous paychecks they will surely be recipients of!

 

[Captain Morgan]

What's wrong with giving the 20 "chosen" Republic pilots a little well deserved recognition?

We should all be allowed to bask in their victory in being assigned to an E190 for the generous paychecks they will surely be recipients of!

The problem is funny guy, if no one bids for it, and they get displaced, why should they get insult added to injury. You need to grow up and quit watching "Hoffa" and "The Sopranos." Start acting like a mature human being. I remember a time when this web site was formed and people were actually here to help each others solve problems.

 

[Metro752]

Wow, you forgot about the word voluntary.

I don't wish any ill will on someone being assigned to the aircraft against their will.

It's ok Captain Morgan no everyone reads as "good" as you.

 

[samballs]

The problem is funny guy, if no one bids for it, and they get displaced, why should they get insult added to injury. You need to grow up and quit watching "Hoffa" and "The Sopranos." Start acting like a mature human being. I remember a time when this web site was formed and people were actually here to help each others solve problems.

How can a RP pilot say he wants to help. You guys have f'd this industry far more than mesa. They may have kept wages low, but you guys make that look like chicken scratch.

 

[Captain Morgan]

How can a RP pilot say he wants to help. You guys have f'd this industry far more than mesa. They may have kept wages low, but you guys make that look like chicken scratch.

How so? I want examples of what you're talking about. Give me specifics and I'll give you my point of view on the matter. Yes, the regional jet was bad, but look around. What airline doesn't have them nowadays besides the few that I could count on one hand. Per another thread, we weren't even the launch customer for the RJ. We were flying around Saabs and Jetstreams when the RJ was launched and for quite a while thereafter. Every regional is guilty, and everyone's $hit stinks, I think we can agree on that. I really want to know what you think Samballs, and I don't want to hear, "Mesa, sucks!" or "You are bottom feeders..." My 18 month old daughter could say that. Prove to me your airline, whoever you fly for, is better, more rightious, and more worthy of being crowned King, or if you prefer Queen of the Regionals.

 

[flylike44]

The problem is funny guy, if no one bids for it, and they get displaced, why should they get insult added to injury. You need to grow up and quit watching "Hoffa" and "The Sopranos." Start acting like a mature human being. I remember a time when this web site was formed and people were actually here to help each others solve problems.

If you work at republic, read your contract. MKE falls under the "hybrid base" provisions of the contract. Among the information you'd find had you actually read it, is the fact that pilots cannot be displaced into a hybrid base. If nobody bids for it, the company has to come to the table no matter how many seats they put in the thing.

 

[Metro752]

If you work at republic, read your contract. MKE falls under the "hybrid base" provisions of the contract. Among the information you'd find had you actually read it, is the fact that pilots cannot be displaced into a hybrid base. If nobody bids for it, the company has to come to the table no matter how many seats they put in the thing.

ARTICLE 17
BASES
(TOC)

Page 17.1
A. “Large” Bases
B. “Small” Bases
C. One Year Grace Period
D. Overnight Trip Requirement
E. Hybrid Bases

1. Definition
2. Conditions
​

a. Expansion/Growth
b. 2 Aircraft Minimum
c. Eighteen Month Limit
​

Page 17.2
E. Hybrid Bases

3. No Minimum Cities Served
4. Voluntary Assignment
5. Current Bases Ineligible
6. Large/Small Bases Ineligible

​

-Page 17.1
ARTICLE 17
BASES

A. A “Large” base is defined as any base with at least twenty (20) hard lines
(not including build up or reserve lines) available for bid at that location
and where the Company flies routes that connect the base location with at
least two (2) other airport locations (an airport that is flag stopped does not
count toward the two (2) airports). No large base shall be opened unless
the previous conditions are met or the Union and the Company have come
to a mutual agreement.

B. A “Small” base is defined as any base that has fewer than twenty (20)
hard lines but no fewer that eleven (11) hard lines. The Company may
have a maximum of one (1) “small” base for every two (2) “large” bases.
The criteria for a “small” base shall be the same as for a “large” base,
except that the minimum number of hard lines shall be no fewer than
eleven (11).

C. The Company and the Union recognize that the above-stated criteria may
fluctuate periodically, but in the interest of stability, the Company would
not normally be required to close a non-conforming base unless one or
both of the above-stated criteria has not been met for at least a one (1)
year period.

D. Bases must contain lines that contain overnight trips away from base.

E. Hybrid Bases

1. A Hybrid Base is any new base that opens after the date of signing
of the Agreement that does not comply with the criteria specified in
A. or B. above.

2. In order for the Company to open and maintain a hybrid base, the
following conditions must apply:
​

a. The aircraft assigned to the new base must be a result of
expansion/growth and not simply relocation of company
flying.

b. The base will have a minimum of two (2) aircraft to cover the
flying assigned to the new base. The Company shall be
allowed three (3) months to place both aircraft into service.

c. If a hybrid base does not comply with the criteria set forth in
paragraphs A. or B. within eighteen (18) months from the
date of opening, it will be closed unless it is otherwise
mutually agreed by the parties to keep the base open.

​

-Page 17.2

3. There is no minimum number of cities these bases must serve.

4. All vacancies will be filled with volunteers only. No pilot will be
displaced or forced to fill these vacancies.

5. The Company cannot restructure or close any current base and
then reopen it to take advantage of the provisions of this section.

6. The Company cannot restructure or close any base meeting the
criteria set forth in paragraphs A. or B. and then reopen it as a
hybrid base to take advantage of the provisions of this section.​

 

[Captain Morgan]

If you work at republic, read your contract. MKE falls under the "hybrid base" provisions of the contract. Among the information you'd find had you actually read it, is the fact that pilots cannot be displaced into a hybrid base. If nobody bids for it, the company has to come to the table no matter how many seats they put in the thing.

I have read Article 17, and no where in there does it address the furloughing and then recalling a few months later into that base. If that's the case, what do you suppose a chap with a couple of kids and a house payment is supposed to do during this economy? Simply turndown the recall? Let me know if I'm missing something and I'm reading the wrong section of the CBA. Thanks.

 

[BoilerUP]

Isn't RAH already crewing the current E170 Midwest flying through PHL and DCA, without a MKE base?

 

[flylike44]

I have read Article 17, and no where in there does it address the furloughing and then recalling a few months later into that base. If that's the case, what do you suppose a chap with a couple of kids and a house payment is supposed to do during this economy? Simply turndown the recall? Let me know if I'm missing something and I'm reading the wrong section of the CBA. Thanks.

You're right, but the conversation was going in the direction of pilots being displaced to MKE. Not going to happen. Now the scenario you just proposed...

 

[Captain Morgan]

You're right, but the conversation was going in the direction of pilots being displaced to MKE. Not going to happen. Now the scenario you just proposed...

I guess in my eyes, it's a circumvented displacement or something like that. We have some great people at our company and I hate to think of us being villified as scabs. A lot of us want an honest to goodness contract and get on with our lives and careers.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I guess in my eyes, it's a circumvented displacement or something like that. We have some great people at our company and I hate to think of us being villified as scabs. A lot of us want an honest to goodness contract and get on with our lives and careers.

There are a lot of scumbags at your company too. A lot of Delta Connection Academy pilots that live with their parents and think flying a 170 is the greatest thing in the world. Most of these pilots are uneducated, in enormous debt, and still think they are going to work at UPS or Fedex someday so they don't care about airlines like Midwest.

 

[hockeypilot44]

The Jetblue 190 first officer scale is comparable to the Republic 190 captain scale. Pathetic.

 

[SennaP1]

The Jetblue 190 first officer scale is comparable to the Republic 190 captain scale. Pathetic.

Indeed.

 

[jborsdrf]

Yeah and 4 years ago their captain pay was worse than ours after year 5...Our contract is 6 years old and 2 years expired. Jetblue has made some tremendous gains in the last few years. When we signed this f#cking thing the idea of a 190 on the property was laughable. We were the first non concessionary contract after 9-11 our rates were 3rd to Comair and Horizon at the time, both contracts signed pre 9-11. We did this with an alter ego being forced into our rectum. I'm sure D connection pilots are at every airline by now even SWA and UPS. Are they any different than riddle kids with a mountain of debt?

Hockeypilot44 and SennaP where is this amazing glass house you both work at?

 

[Popeye0537]

Yeah and 4 years ago their captain pay was worse than ours after year 5...Our contract is 6 years old and 2 years expired. Jetblue has made some tremendous gains in the last few years. When we signed this f#cking thing the idea of a 190 on the property was laughable. We were the first non concessionary contract after 9-11 our rates were 3rd to Comair and Horizon at the time, both contracts signed pre 9-11. We did this with an alter ego being forced into our rectum. I'm sure D connection pilots are at every airline by now even SWA and UPS. Are they any different than riddle kids with a mountain of debt?

Hockeypilot44 and SennaP where is this amazing glass house you both work at?

Dont worry to much about it J, those two trolls have been ranting against RP from day one. Hockey is bitter that he will NEVER upgrade and SennaP is his girlfriend.