Republic/Frontier/Midwest SLI Arbitration?

[F9 Driver]

You are probably right if we are not one group. I'm not a guy that has to have the exact rates of JB but we need to get in the ball park. And for you own good it is in F9 pilots best interest to help and support us doing that. If we don't it will only hurt any chance you have of impoving anything for the F9 pilot group. Can you not see that relationship? Every pilot group piggy backs on others. Both up and down. It is the best interest of every airline pilot for us to get to the levels I spoke of in the last post. If not negative presure is out there for every group. And F9 will have the most since they will be in the classic grip of the whipsaw we all have been fitting against for years. The whipsaw is a big reason our contract is the way it is today. RAH managment wanted three different airlines so the could crack the whip. We gave a lot to stop it. What are you willing to give to stop it once it starts? You have to think beyond next year. I very well might leave here someday I don't want to leave the this place putting downward pressure on my life at airline what every it may be. Think big picture, long term outside your little piece of the world. Us all as one group is bad for every pilot in the industry.

Nice rhetoric, but it doesn't come close to passing the sniff test in the real world.

You're saying that RAH IBT pilots have the foresight to band together with all the other groups, forgo short term personal gains and make this a better place. But if we don't become a single carrier, these same selfless pilots will instantly abandon their principled stand, join the GoJet / Freedom Air scumbag mindset and participate in a whipsaw against FAPA. Am I understanding that right?

Read "Flying The Line" 1 and 2, talk to some of your FOs about how quickly they will be in the wind the moment the legacies start hiring, do some math on how many ADDITIONAL narrow body airplanes would have to be on property for any of your junior captains to fly one (hint - almost 200) and figure out how many of them will jump ship at the first opportunity and then come back with your flowery rhetoric if you still feel the same.

In the mean time we'll pay the cards we are dealt in the SLI. A separate strong CBA for the branded service is in our, and the industry's, best interest. You may have convinced yourself that you know whats best for FAPA pilots, or you may be unwittingly shilling for IBT, but I don't see where boosting up a commuter contract at mainline's expense has any positive bearing on the health of this industry.

 

[dlzav8tr]

i am a middle of the road fo at f9 and from what i am hearing i am going to be somewhere between number 1500-1700 on the new list. Why would i ever want the list to be implimented? If it is I will be leaving ASAP. then you guys can have fun flying the airbus for 30 grand and no work rules.

 

[dlzav8tr]

By the way. Rah took over the airbus leases, they did not buy them.

 

[StaySeated]

By the way. Rah took over the airbus leases, they did not buy them.

What about the ones that are not leased? What is your point?

 

[AnimalTale]

What about the ones that are not leased? What is your point?

We should take our $500 Xmas bonus and buy back Frontier.

CYA

 

[BlackPilot628]

Needless to say.... It's going to get interesting...

 

[ultrarunner]

Well, the F9 guys could have taken the SWA deal. Guess they felt something better would come along. Guess it has!

 

[F9 Driver]

Well, the F9 guys could have taken the SWA deal. Guess they felt something better would come along. Guess it has!

What SWA deal? Contrary to FI babble, there wasn't an offer - only a few hours of a proffered staple with no intent to negotiate. SWA, not SWAPA, has made the commitment, which they refused to do with FAPA, to allow arbitration if SWAPA and FL ALPA can't agree. With Freund and Katz involved what could go wrong?

Educate yourself: http://www.bnet.com/blog/airline-bu...-southwest-8217s-efforts-to-buy-frontier/1042

 

[ultrarunner]

Ahh....so the F9 guys and girls had no chance of getting on board even if they had wanted to.....

 

[F9 Driver]

Ahh....so the F9 guys and girls had no chance of getting on board even if they had wanted to.....

Realistically - No.

SWAPA had just had TA 1 fail after recommending that it ratify, and didn't have the political clout to offer FAPA any real negotiated SLI, with the backstop of arbitration, as our contract (Allegheny Mohawk 3 & 13) and the law (McCaskill Bond) provided.

For the Tranny's sake I hope they do now.