Republic/Frontier/Midwest SLI Arbitration?

[F9 Driver]

You are probably right if we are not one group. I'm not a guy that has to have the exact rates of JB but we need to get in the ball park. And for you own good it is in F9 pilots best interest to help and support us doing that. If we don't it will only hurt any chance you have of impoving anything for the F9 pilot group. Can you not see that relationship? Every pilot group piggy backs on others. Both up and down. It is the best interest of every airline pilot for us to get to the levels I spoke of in the last post. If not negative presure is out there for every group. And F9 will have the most since they will be in the classic grip of the whipsaw we all have been fitting against for years. The whipsaw is a big reason our contract is the way it is today. RAH managment wanted three different airlines so the could crack the whip. We gave a lot to stop it. What are you willing to give to stop it once it starts? You have to think beyond next year. I very well might leave here someday I don't want to leave the this place putting downward pressure on my life at airline what every it may be. Think big picture, long term outside your little piece of the world. Us all as one group is bad for every pilot in the industry.

Nice rhetoric, but it doesn't come close to passing the sniff test in the real world.

You're saying that RAH IBT pilots have the foresight to band together with all the other groups, forgo short term personal gains and make this a better place. But if we don't become a single carrier, these same selfless pilots will instantly abandon their principled stand, join the GoJet / Freedom Air scumbag mindset and participate in a whipsaw against FAPA. Am I understanding that right?

Read "Flying The Line" 1 and 2, talk to some of your FOs about how quickly they will be in the wind the moment the legacies start hiring, do some math on how many ADDITIONAL narrow body airplanes would have to be on property for any of your junior captains to fly one (hint - almost 200) and figure out how many of them will jump ship at the first opportunity and then come back with your flowery rhetoric if you still feel the same.

In the mean time we'll pay the cards we are dealt in the SLI. A separate strong CBA for the branded service is in our, and the industry's, best interest. You may have convinced yourself that you know whats best for FAPA pilots, or you may be unwittingly shilling for IBT, but I don't see where boosting up a commuter contract at mainline's expense has any positive bearing on the health of this industry.

 

[dlzav8tr]

i am a middle of the road fo at f9 and from what i am hearing i am going to be somewhere between number 1500-1700 on the new list. Why would i ever want the list to be implimented? If it is I will be leaving ASAP. then you guys can have fun flying the airbus for 30 grand and no work rules.

 

[dlzav8tr]

By the way. Rah took over the airbus leases, they did not buy them.

 

[StaySeated]

By the way. Rah took over the airbus leases, they did not buy them.

What about the ones that are not leased? What is your point?

 

[AnimalTale]

What about the ones that are not leased? What is your point?

We should take our $500 Xmas bonus and buy back Frontier.

CYA

 

[BlackPilot628]

Needless to say.... It's going to get interesting...

 

[ultrarunner]

Well, the F9 guys could have taken the SWA deal. Guess they felt something better would come along. Guess it has!

 

[F9 Driver]

Well, the F9 guys could have taken the SWA deal. Guess they felt something better would come along. Guess it has!

What SWA deal? Contrary to FI babble, there wasn't an offer - only a few hours of a proffered staple with no intent to negotiate. SWA, not SWAPA, has made the commitment, which they refused to do with FAPA, to allow arbitration if SWAPA and FL ALPA can't agree. With Freund and Katz involved what could go wrong?

Educate yourself: http://www.bnet.com/blog/airline-bu...-southwest-8217s-efforts-to-buy-frontier/1042

 

[ultrarunner]

Ahh....so the F9 guys and girls had no chance of getting on board even if they had wanted to.....

 

[F9 Driver]

Ahh....so the F9 guys and girls had no chance of getting on board even if they had wanted to.....

Realistically - No.

SWAPA had just had TA 1 fail after recommending that it ratify, and didn't have the political clout to offer FAPA any real negotiated SLI, with the backstop of arbitration, as our contract (Allegheny Mohawk 3 & 13) and the law (McCaskill Bond) provided.

For the Tranny's sake I hope they do now.

 

[ChinaClipper]

There always someone who got the boot at F9 and can't let it go....wonder who that is? BTW Is there STILL people who think that the WN-F9 Deal was 1) Legit and not a red herring? 2) Ideas exchanged in good faith? 3) FAPA should release the list of contingencies that would have nixed the Senority deal, but left an ATA-style pickover for assets at DEN....my favorite was $80 a barrel for a short while....Good luck Trannies, you'll just have to see the luv for yourselves.....

 

[redflyer65]

Where is the SLI?

 

[BUDDHA145]

The arbitrator ran out toilet papper!!!

 

[ultrarunner]

So nothing happened yet?

 

[A320kid]

So nothing happened yet?

Best guess right now is late January. As a Frontier pilot I see this as only a positive thing. If arbitrator Eishen was to just use his original draft (which would of been a windfall for RAH pilots) then he would not of taken this long to issue his final award. Just my opinion, but I think and hope that his new award will resemble more of FAPA's original proposal. Anything less and Frontier will see huge attrition and will have to hire off the street until a new agreement is made IF STS is determined.

 

[StaySeated]

Best guess right now is late January. As a Frontier pilot I see this as only a positive thing. If arbitrator Eishen was to just use his original draft (which would of been a windfall for RAH pilots) then he would not of taken this long to issue his final award. Just my opinion, but I think and hope that his new award will resemble more of FAPA's original proposal. Anything less and Frontier will see huge attrition and will have to hire off the street until a new agreement is made IF STS is determined.

One can always hope, but there is quite a gulf between the rumored draft award and FAPA's final proposal. To call the rumors going around as a windfall are an understatement. This thing is going to redefine the term and Eichen will have worked his last SLI as an independent contractor, at least in aviation. Who in the world would hire him now that he has apparently gone off the reservation. He was very high on everyone's list due to his past consistency. This decision will also probably guarantee a panel of arbitrators in the future SLI's. The chances of multiple arbitrators losing their minds simultaneously should be less than the chances of one going rogue on his own.

Whatever happens, attrition at F9 may break the back of RAH's thin balance sheet.

 

[BUDDHA145]

Not to disagree with you A320 kid but it doesnt matter how the SLI goes, attrition in F9 and RAH is going to be out of control... I mean there FO's living this mess for JB!! good for them, maybe with the barrel of oil close to 100 may slow down thingsa bit but I'm telling you this is going to be a ghost town...Remember we are a regional/national airline and that's how management treats everyone!!
PS: be very carefull with the kool-aid from HQ, is to die for!!!

 

[buckdanny]

Anything less and Frontier will see huge attrition and will have to hire off the street until a new agreement is made IF STS is determined.

Huge attrition is exactly what RAH management wants. At this place pilots are a liability, commodity, disposable good. F9 is no different; trust me I've been at RAH long enough to know. With time you will learn how to read between the line of the biweekly newsletter, and it's already been said: LCC pilots are expected to move on to the majors. It is in Management's best interest for you to leave. Buddha is right, people are bailing out left and right. I don't think this place will become a ghost town because there is always younger guys looking at building time and a quick upgrade and I'm sure we will be flooded with apps when we resume hiring, but it is true this place is always going to be run like a regional. Passengers don't care about the product and as long as tickets are cheap they will buy. Management knows that.

 

[707eng]

Look's like Republic is ramping up hiring. Pretty steep minimums though. https://www.ultirecruit.com/REP1003/jobboard/JobDetails.aspx?__ID=*33E178A3824B0B01

 

[arjayeffo]

Well, I hope all the guys who spook and run now are senior to me. It will make the 5 years between the SLI Award and any chance of actually implementing it, a lot better for me. ;-)