Regions Air????

[WhateverUwant]

Doug,

I'm not ContractFlyer, but if that's what you want to think, I could care less.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Booohahahahaha...

Ya know, that isn't really funny. Does Colgan provide the KY or are they are cheap as crapex???

Maybe with a little luck, Colgan will buy Region's assets and adopt the pilots.

 

[Tram]

I did not post the links about Bradford and Jamestown....also I am not a flight attendant nor was I a Regions flight attendant..

And your also not a pilot, so.. How can you be an 8000 ATP with 727 time?

 

[vtchaz]

HMMM...Regions falling apart?

http://post-journal.com/articles.asp?articleID=7351

 

[Prop2Jet]

wooooo. Finally, that is some serious info... You guys bidding on Marion Illinois ? Is Colgan also?

 

[CopilotDoug]

http://post-journal.com/articles.asp?articleID=7351

I don't know if it was ever together in the firstplace. On the Saab side, we're having to finding out these developments from the internet. Our CEO has already announced that we cannot commit to the Oct 14th deadline here: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/415786_web.pdf

 

[Prop2Jet]

Sorry guys, that sucks. I can't stand when company does not clue us in.... We are in the same situation.
Good luck

 

[vtchaz]

Colgan Officially permanently in at JHW and BFD...this time to Dulles

The only problem with this story is that Colgan will be doing this as a United codeshare, supposedly, and not USAirways anymore.


RegionsAir Won’t Meet Deadline
9/29/2006 - Department Of Transportation Order Would Keep Colgan Air As Local Provider

By RANDY ELF

Special to The Post-Journal

WASHINGTON — RegionsAir has notified the U.S. Department of Transportation that it won’t file its flight schedules for the Jamestown and Bradford airports by the department’s deadline.

Thus, according to an order the department issued Sept. 21, Colgan Air will continue providing USAirways Express flights to and from Pittsburgh for the next two years.

At Colgan’s own request, the order gives Colgan the option of providing USAirways Express flights to and from Washington Dulles International Airport instead, with the same subsidy with which Colgan offered to serve Pittsburgh, ‘‘after consulting with the communities, its code-share partner, and conducting its own financial analyses to ensure that such a change would benefit all parties.’’

The Dulles opportunity is one that many community leaders in the Jamestown and Bradford areas originally advocated because the airport is a destination for some local travelers, and i has more domestic connections and far more international connections than either Pittsburgh or Cleveland.

Local flights would have served Cleveland under the RegionsAir proposal to provide Continental Connection flights.

RegionsAir’s Response

The Transportation Department, which selects carriers for the Jamestown and Bradford airports under the federally subsidized Essential Air Service program, on March 21 selected RegionsAir to replace Colgan, the local carrier since 2004.

According to information on the department’s Web site, RegionsAir was originally to begin Aug. 28, but requested a one-month delay and then another delay until Oct. 15. After the second delay, Colgan, citing harm to it and the traveling public, asked the department to revoke its selection.

See AIRPORT on Page A-3

From Page A-1

The department granted Colgan’s request Sept. 21, giving RegionsAir seven days to object without making ‘‘general or vague responses,’’ fully load its Jamestown and Bradford flight schedules into the airline industry’s computer-reservation system, have tickets available for sale, have fully executed contracts with both airports, and show it would begin service by Oct. 14.

The RegionsAir response, dated Tuesday and posted on the department’s Web site Wednesday, attributes its delay in filing flight schedules to its bringing new aircraft, the Saab 340A, online and ‘‘bringing the service level up to a high standard.’’

The response says that not serving Jamestown and Bradford will mean a ‘‘significant financial impact and perhaps irreversible harm’’ for RegionsAir, because it has leased ‘‘an aircraft,’’ maintained it, trained pilots and flight attendants, and purchased ground equipment.

Moreover, RegionsAir says it was negotiating with the Chautauqua County Airport ‘‘for a maintenance facility including tooling, with expectations that four experienced Saab mechanics in the local area would immediately staff the facility.’’

Bids

Colgan offered to provide USAirways Express service to and from Pittsburgh for a $2.4 million annual subsidy and USAirways Express service to and from Washington Dulles for a $2.8 million annual subsidy.

Despite local objections, the department on March 21 chose RegionsAir’s Continental Connection service to and from Cleveland, because RegionsAir offered to provide the service for a $1.6 million annual subsidy.

Colgan’s bid identifies its airline ‘‘code-share partner’’ as USAirways for Pittsburgh and United Airlines for Washington Dulles. The RegionsAir code-share partner for Cleveland would have been Continental Airlines.

Both Colgan proposals offered three round-trip flights each weekday, two on Saturday, and two on Sunday. RegionsAir offered the same, except for one round-trip flight on Saturday. Both Colgan proposals and the previously accepted Regions Air proposal offered service on 34 passenger Saabs, which Colgan has used for Jamestown and Bradford flights since 2004. A rejected RegionsAir proposal suggested 19 passenger planes.

Randy Elf, a West Ellicott resident, has been a teacher, a Post-Journal reporter, a law clerk to two federal judges, and a state Assembly candidate. He lives in West Ellicott and is a lawyer in Washington.

 

[BlackPilot628]

It is sad to see that Corpex has gone from the great Midway Connection Airline out of RDU, to almost nothing.
Sad day. N933CX..... Ya da man!

 

[Way2Broke]

I pray it dies in its sleep............

Lots of good people have graced the cockpit of CorpEx aircraft!

 

[CopilotDoug]

4 Saabs + 2 Plane Schedule = ?????

It either begins with an "F" and ends in "urloughs" or STL will be gaining a couple Saabs over the next few months would be my guess. Oh...and lines for October are getting reduced from 85hr to the standard "PDK" lines

 

[CopilotDoug]

In retrospect, I take it back. I don't think the company will furlough, but I think it's going to be a while before the schedules (at least on the Saab side) get hashed out

 

[bizicmo]

If its anything like my company when the word furlough comes out hiring ocurrs two months later for attrition.

 

[Tram]

You poor SAAB kids and your schedules..

Tell me how you go from 4 - 3 day lines in one base... 5 - 3 day lines in another base... Join the two bases together and wind up with 2 - 3 day lines in the entire company?

 

[ContractFlyer]

Saab Schedules

Not sure that skd dept is aware that cocpit and f/a's have different duty regs....

 

[Tram]

For someone who was at the company for a whopping 2 months, you know alot about this place..

Seems like that is all that post negative posts about Regions, guys/girls who were here for all of 3 months then left...

That's sorta like watching the first 10 minutes of a movie and walking out and then telling everyone how crappy it was...

 

[CopilotDoug]

You poor SAAB kids and your schedules..

Tell me how you go from 4 - 3 day lines in one base... 5 - 3 day lines in another base... Join the two bases together and wind up with 2 - 3 day lines in the entire company?

It's your typical pilot "sob" story

As for the movie comment, Tram, I only did that once (Saving Private Ryan)
What a waste! I wasn't going to sit for two hours watching an old guy shuffle around a cemetery! NEXT!

Contract, don't you and "whateverUwant" have a play date today or something? Run along now and let the grownups continue their discussion.

 

[WhateverUwant]

Geez Warfel,

You're so insightful.

 

[ContractFlyer]

Dougie and Tram

I have been in the airline industry since before you two were born. So, if you would like to speak of play dates.....perhaps the two of you should get together.

As far as RegionsAir, I like some of the folks there, and some, to me are in over their heads. This is not about pilots or flight attendants. I know the pilots who were part of the proving runs, I was there during the proving runs. I was there for the first flight. And maybe, just maybe, I am still there! I know of what I speak, I know there are bumps in the road for RegionsAir. I don't want any of the employees to lose out, get laid off or have the airline go down the tubes. But, there are things that could be done better. Tell Carrie I said hi!

 

[Tram]

You are correct..

There are tons of things that could be done better, this place COULD be turned into something...

So, you were here for 2 months, but you could also still be here? You also told me you weren't a pilot.. but then told me you were not a pilot for regions, but that you were here in a management capacity and that your a female and were here from like May and June, buttt just maaybe your still here?

You've been in the aviation industry since before we were born and your still working/might still be working/etc/etc in a management capacity at a joint like Regions? Ehh.. maybe you needa change careers.. seems as though your managerial skillz are subpar..

Sounds like you need to figure out who it is that you are.. It would only make your bashing of Regions that more creditible..

Sounds to me like your the Stations Manager who went off talking to some of the pilots about "how much bank" you were making and then quit... but.. then again, I could be wrong..

 

[jetpig32]

The news sounds sad over there. Cant say I miss the place, only the people I worked with. HOW DID A CORPEX POST GET THIS LONG!!!!!!!

Whats the word on Air Midwest taking over some STL routes?

 

[belchfire]

The news sounds sad over there. Cant say I miss the place, only the people I worked with. HOW DID A CORPEX POST GET THIS LONG!!!!!!!

Whats the word on Air Midwest taking over some STL routes?

Because only the ignorant think that mesa, gggoooojjjetss and others are leading the race to the bottom...the truth is that they don't stand a chance. The race has already been won.

In fact I think that if you go back two DO's (RDU era) the trophy is on his mantel...

Excuse me...I'm going over to Sticky Fingers and get deafened some more by the cover band...I will hoist a pint for you guys though-I hope you all find better compensation soon!

Tram-you comment about the movie-well, consider those that don't have a place to leave to when they get their pic time in. Those people that are getting hired by the few good places left are current and qualified in swept wing FMS equipped turbojets. Not much movement for the guys and gals that gambled on the quick upgrade in the turboprop market.

The paradigm has changed. Those folks that bailed saw it first and should be commended for it...smyrna still hasn't caught on and that's why you are stuck with 1990 AE pay...they used corpex as a stepping stone-even HQ will tell you that is what it is. By doing so they springboraded past many folks that stayed, expecting to leave for a job outside the regional market and will end up in a far more robust financial position.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Because only the ignorant think that mesa, gggoooojjjetss and others are leading the race to the bottom...the truth is that they don't stand a chance. The race has already been won.

In fact I think that if you go back two DO's (RDU era) the trophy is on his mantel...

Excuse me...I'm going over to Sticky Fingers and get deafened some more by the cover band...I will hoist a pint for you guys though-I hope you all find better compensation soon!

Tram-you comment about the movie-well, consider those that don't have a place to leave to when they get their pic time in. Those people that are getting hired by the few good places left are current and qualified in swept wing FMS equipped turbojets. Not much movement for the guys and gals that gambled on the quick upgrade in the turboprop market.

The paradigm has changed. Those folks that bailed saw it first and should be commended for it...smyrna still hasn't caught on and that's why you are stuck with 1990 AE pay...they used corpex as a stepping stone-even HQ will tell you that is what it is. By doing so they springboraded past many folks that stayed, expecting to leave for a job outside the regional market and will end up in a far more robust financial position.

Belch,

While I do respect your point of view, seeing that you have much more time and experience than myself in the industry, I do have to disagree on the point about T-Prop and T-Jet experience. Yes, the RJ's are more inline with equipment flown by the "mainlines" today, however, there are too many cases of people getting hired onto to SWA et. al., from Colgan, CommutAir, Great Lakes, AmeriFlight, and numerous other turbo-prop operators for me to lose hope just yet. Where am I getting this information from, you ask? 95% heresay and conjecture. All I know is that when the time comes to send out resumes, I'll have my 121 turbine time box checked. Time to go back to memorizing my chestlicks.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Belch,

While I do respect your point of view, seeing that you have much more time and experience than myself in the industry, I do have to disagree on the point about T-Prop and T-Jet experience. Yes, the RJ's are more inline with equipment flown by the "mainlines" today, however, there are too many cases of people getting hired onto to SWA et. al., from Colgan, CommutAir, Great Lakes, AmeriFlight, and numerous other turbo-prop operators for me to lose hope just yet. Where am I getting this information from, you ask? 95% heresay and conjecture. All I know is that when the time comes to send out resumes, I'll have my 121 turbine time box checked. Time to go back to memorizing my chestlicks.

I would say Belch is right in line with things. Yes, there are Turboprop guys getting hired at SWA. I'm sure there are some getting hired at other places as well. Look at your current pilot group, a lot of those guys have more than 1000k PIC 121 or pretty damn close to it. They are getting the thanks but no thanks letters. I still keep in touch with quite a few people at Corpex and get the low down. Airtran "had" slowed down on hiring Turboprop guys because they're requiring so much extra sim time. (3 to 4 Sessions) I'm not sure if this is still the case. At the OBAP convention back in Aug they said they would rather see "some" glass time on your resume. IN other words, you could have 1000k PIC, but they want you to have 100 hours SIC in a E145. Just some type of glass time. Belch has about 2000-3000 hours PIC JS32 time. It took him 5 years to find a job flying big boys.
I wish all of my Corpex guys the best. KY can't begin to help the pain we all went through over there.

Fly safe!

 

[Smiliner]

Belch and BlackPilot are both correct. That's why I left (among other reasons).

 

[BrkDkPlt]

Because only the ignorant think that mesa, gggoooojjjetss and others are leading the race to the bottom...the truth is that they don't stand a chance. The race has already been won.

In fact I think that if you go back two DO's (RDU era) the trophy is on his mantel...

Excuse me...I'm going over to Sticky Fingers and get deafened some more by the cover band...I will hoist a pint for you guys though-I hope you all find better compensation soon!

Tram-you comment about the movie-well, consider those that don't have a place to leave to when they get their pic time in. Those people that are getting hired by the few good places left are current and qualified in swept wing FMS equipped turbojets. Not much movement for the guys and gals that gambled on the quick upgrade in the turboprop market.

The paradigm has changed. Those folks that bailed saw it first and should be commended for it...smyrna still hasn't caught on and that's why you are stuck with 1990 AE pay...they used corpex as a stepping stone-even HQ will tell you that is what it is. By doing so they springboraded past many folks that stayed, expecting to leave for a job outside the regional market and will end up in a far more robust financial position.

I agree 100% with Belch. When I left corpex for XJT my pay automatically jumped 5 bucks, not to mention perdiem and QOL. Not only does your life improve but also your experience, flying to different major airports, FMS, glass cockpit.etc.
Bottom line, I rather get stuck in a regional for 5 years making 70-80k/year than in a crappy regional making 28k. Second year FO pay at most regionals is way more than corpex CA pay.

 

[PRINCE AKEEM]

...but at Corpex you can get Chicken Lips with extra blue cheese!
Akeem has spoken.

 

[Prop2Jet]

who cares.... do what makes you happy.

 

[BlackPilot628]

AAAHHH. I forgot about the Chicken Lips!

 

[belchfire]

Belch,

While I do respect your point of view, seeing that you have much more time and experience than myself in the industry, I do have to disagree on the point about T-Prop and T-Jet experience. Yes, the RJ's are more inline with equipment flown by the "mainlines" today, however, there are too many cases of people getting hired onto to SWA et. al., from Colgan, CommutAir, Great Lakes, AmeriFlight, and numerous other turbo-prop operators for me to lose hope just yet. Where am I getting this information from, you ask? 95% heresay and conjecture. All I know is that when the time comes to send out resumes, I'll have my 121 turbine time box checked. Time to go back to memorizing my chestlicks.

It's a trend that I have noticed. I'm sure that there is someone that could tell me if colgan gets to use the FMS in thier Saabs...in one class of 22 I was in there were only three turboprop only guys. In the last class I was the only one, but there were many furloughed indy air guys. At least the saab has some automation.

Having said that I will also point out that there is no better way to build instrument skills than fly eight legs in a day in crappy weather in a jball. No better way to get really fatigued either...especially after a short overnight!

Lastly, there is no excuse for accepting the sub-standard 1990's payscale and terminal pay freeze. Contrary to what you may think you are not doing yourselves or the industry as a whole a favor.

Oh yeah, you aren't supposed to memorize checklists-just memory items.

AirTran and SWA used to be regular destinations for ex corpexers. That trend has changed also...

Along with all the friends that are still there I miss the chicken lips also!
Perhaps I will have to work out a plan to get there on a friday or saturday...yet there is no Leffe in BRL.