Quit ALPA Now!

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, I'm not going to waste my time right now reading your long, dribble of a post. According to you, anyone who is opposed to ALPA in anyway or form, you try to belittle, insult and even try to scare. You look like a clown and you do a lot of damage to ALPA on FI.com. I have thick skin and nothing of what you say bothers me, but you show how typical ALPA reps are towards pilots who have issues with the Union.

Classic.... "ALPA sucks, and I am here to tell you so and if you don't change, ALPA sucks even more"

Sure pilots have issues with ALPA.... we all do. We also have issues with govt, church, family. Did you like everything your Mom and Dad did? Your spouse? Good god man... grow the phcuk up. You post on here like a little girl. Of course ALPA has problems. It is an organizations made up of imperfect beings called humans.

I guarantee you that airline management sucks even worse... but you don't seem to be fair and balanced... now are you?

There are even current ALPA reps who come on this forum and insult pilots for opposing ALPA.

You want to oppose ALPA.... there is a format for that.... First off, identify the problem... second... come up with a solution. That is the hard part tough guy.... The solutions are the hard the part... in govt, in church and in personal relationships. Why do you need to be schooled on this fundamental concept.?

The problem is... some loud mouth like you and your hate buddies get on here and feed the masses with your drivel. So you think ALPA sucks.. so the ALPA guys want to make you happy and listen to you and work to make you happy.. Then the next phcuk stick de jour comes in and says ALPA sucks... make me happy. So now what? Who to please? You the new guy or the tool that whines next week.

One issue I will address. You constantly "do something to change the union"....well first off, I'm not with an ALPA carrier, but now that I know how many people have problem with ALPA and the fact that the AAA guys were able to vote you off the property, I would head up a petition to vote out ALPA. But I'm not at the airlines, so therefore I cannot.

Classic... you are not even a professional pilot but its worth your time to come on here and trash talk ALPA.... are you serious?

USAPA is a major abortion of a union. It was based on failed fundamentals and they will be back to ALPA in less than 10 years if USAIR isn't bought. USAPA has done nothing that ALPA could not have done.

I know others who would like to dump ALPA, but they just don't have the brass to put together a rally to vote out ALPA. The only thing ALPA can push around are it's current members, and they do this because they know they have no power against the management, so they have to flex there muscle on someone.

You are correct that others want to dump ALPA.....

Pilots know that if they start to rally against ALPA, the ALPA reps/cheerleaders will do everything in their power to make their day to day lines as miserable as possible. They will threaten them, saying that they will make sure they're blacklisted if they want to move on to another carrier. They use the jumpseat as well, because it's one of their very few leverages.

Incorrect. I am sure you believe it..... prove it.

How do I know? Because I know people at USAir who told me this stuff was going on. Also, I worked for a non-ALPA carrier and during a drive to vote on ALPA, reps were telling guys to force ALPA upon the others. It went as far as pushing and shoving on the ramp, in a threat if you didn't vote on ALPA. They also threatened the people opposed with blacklisting their careers.

prove it. A group of AAA pilots that hate ALPA because they agreed to binding arbitration and it didn't go thier way.. sure ALPA sucks...

In the end, the actions of ALPA reps/cheerleaders are highly immature and childish.

So that justifies you coming on FI, a non ALPA pilot, and being immature and childish?

 

[JoeMerchant]

But don't fret too much... victimhood is a way of life for many in the US. In addition, misery's favorite guest, Joey Merchant is on this thread... he'll show you how to be the biggest, whiny, most pathetic victim in the professions history. The best the self appointed victims can ever be are cry babies.

I really get under your skin...don't I? That's good!

You don't understand me at all...but that's not surprising...

I'm not miserable, and I'm not a victim...I'm quite happy and very lucky...Many others in this industry haven't been as fortunate as I have....I simply don't pledge my allegiance to ALPA like you do...

I have had a great career during 3 economic downturns in our industry....I won't ever be a "real" airline pilot flying for one of the "real" airlines, but I have great schedules and make a very good living for myself...all while flying "regional" airplanes....

Skywest has made more improvements than any other management teams...and I have seen the worst kind of managements here at ASA....ALPA was largely powerless against the bad management we had here many years ago.

I would rather work for a great management without ALPA than for a terrible management with ALPA....I would rather work for Skywest than Mesa or Trans States....You would rather work for Mesa or Trans States because of the "Holy ALPA".....Different strokes for different folks....

You seem to have some serious issues Rez....I'm sorry things aren't working out for you...Hopefully you will find some happiness.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Classic... you are not even a professional pilot but its worth your time to come on here and trash talk ALPA.... are you serious?

This is another "Rezism"....He believes only ALPA pilots are "professionals"....That belief right there is enough to turn many off to his snake oil that he is pushing.....

 

[WayBack]

This is another "Rezism"....He believes only ALPA pilots are "professionals"....That belief right there is enough to turn many off to his snake oil that he is pushing.....

Well Hellz Bellz, I guess that BBJ is flown by a bunch of non-professionals. Better let my boss know.
Joe, let the 141 schools and the Universities know they need to had a new course to their aviation majors: "ALPA, the only professional pilot".
Actually, all but one of our pilots are former ALPA members. We're all glad we're no long affiliated with ALPA.

Rez, I seriously feel sorry for you. Hear I am, perfectly happy and well off in my life. I come on here and post these absolutely insane posts, that don't make sense 99% of the time and you sit there and take your time to respond to my gibberish. Then of all things, you seriously get upset about it. I watch how you reply to mine, Joe's and one other guys posts.
Since you like quotes, here is one for you. "Look around the room. If you don't see the sucker, you're it!".....I have a feeling you're the only one in your hotel room right now.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Well Hellz Bellz, I guess that BBJ is flown by a bunch of non-professionals. Better let my boss know.
Joe, let the 141 schools and the Universities know they need to had a new course to their aviation majors: "ALPA, the only professional pilot".
Actually, all but one of our pilots are former ALPA members. We're all glad we're no long affiliated with ALPA.

Rez, I seriously feel sorry for you. Hear I am, perfectly happy and well off in my life. I come on here and post these absolutely insane posts, that don't make sense 99% of the time and you sit there and take your time to respond to my gibberish. Then of all things, you seriously get upset about it. I watch how you reply to mine, Joe's and one other guys posts.
Since you like quotes, here is one for you. "Look around the room. If you don't see the sucker, you're it!".....I have a feeling you're the only one in your hotel room right now.

Good thing professionalism isn't judged by the use of grammar.:laugh:
And before you answer back with some smartass comment, relax francis, it's a joke!

 

[WayBack]

Good thing professionalism isn't judged by the use of grammar.:laugh:
And before you answer back with some smartass comment, relax francis, it's a joke!

You know me all to well, because I have been sitting here thinking of a smart reply to come up with, but right now, it's too darn early to think.
But I ask you, have you ever seen me get hostile because of someones comment? I'm so relaxed that they bottle my sweat to sell as a quaaludes.

Sorry about the spelling, I had only gotten 3 hours of sleep the night before and it was late when I made the post.
If it happens again tonight, I will try and cut myself off before post.
Thank you Sir, may I have another?

PS
Didn't you know that professionalism is only based on if you have an ALPA membership number? Just ask Rez, he will tell you that.
Better let those guys in the Military that they're not considered professionals.

 

[WayBack]

Of course ALPA has problems. It is an organizations made up of imperfect beings called humans.

I guarantee you that airline management sucks even worse... but you don't seem to be fair and balanced... now are you?

But you fail to see that ALPA is a thing of the past. They're not as successful as there were years ago. This is because they're be run by guys with their own interests in mind.....and the senior mainline pilots.

The problem is... some loud mouth like you and your hate buddies get on here and feed the masses with your drivel. So you think ALPA sucks.. so the ALPA guys want to make you happy and listen to you and work to make you happy.. Then the next phcuk stick de jour comes in and says ALPA sucks... make me happy. So now what? Who to please? You the new guy or the tool that whines next week.

I love you, Rez. You're so calm and very personable. That's what makes you a people person.
Of course, you'd also consider some guy who has realistic concerns of ALPAs doing, as a whiner. It's the new ALPA mantra, you listen to us, and do as we say! We know what's best for the pilot group! Reps are nothing more than politicians, they run for a seat with the best intentions, make promises they can't keep. Then when they're in, they become the typical politician. If you are truly that naive to see that, then you need a new set of spectacles. But you seem like a semi smart guy, so I know you deny it in order to try to save face with ALPA.

Classic... you are not even a professional pilot but its worth your time to come on here and trash talk ALPA.... are you serious?

I really love this quote. For you to imply that a pilot is only a professional because they are ALPA, is hysterical. You take yourself and others too seriously. I know you're the guy who lives his daily life based off the ALPA Code of Ethics. Now be honest here, I know you have done this at least once, but how many times have you been driving your car to a friends house, pick up your cell phone and call that friend. Telling him you're in range, 15 minutes out and want to know where to park. Don't lie Rez, you're the Uber Professional pilot, it will go against the code of ethics!
So if ALPA is the only professional pilot group out there, how come your ALPA represented pilots are living like 3rd world nation people? Sleeping in crew rooms, eating 1 maybe 2 meals a day. Don't say that's not ALPA's fault, because ALPA negotiated their sub par pay.
But me, the unprofessional pilot, my pay was based off experience and years flying.

USAPA is a major abortion of a union. It was based on failed fundamentals and they will be back to ALPA in less than 10 years if USAIR isn't bought. USAPA has done nothing that ALPA could not have done.

Rez, your feelings are just hurt because someone kicked your girlfriends fat friend out of the party. I don't think she's coming back either, her feelings are hurt and she can't stop crying.
I'd also like to say ALPA can't do anything USAPA could. Based on ALPA's track record, they couldn't have gotten the trigger happy pilot's job as fast as USAPA did.

Incorrect. I am sure you believe it..... prove it.

Aren't all the threats and child acts by ALPA towards it's pilot group, logged in the meetings minutes? If not, I'm shocked, because alpa is so anal on documentation of everything.
Or you you just read some of the threads on FI where guys are using the jumpseat as a leverage tool on pilots of a different pilot groups. Mainly because they're mad at something they voted on, or because they fly for an airline that didn't vote in alpa....twice.

prove it. A group of AAA pilots that hate ALPA because they agreed to binding arbitration and it didn't go thier way.. sure ALPA sucks...

Yep, because that was the sole reason they voted ALPA out. It had nothing to do with the years of BS the union handed them.
Just like accidents, it's never a single thing that causes the plane to crash. It's a long chain of mistakes.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

But you fail to see that ALPA is a thing of the past. They're not as successful as there were years ago. This is because they're be run by guys with their own interests in mind.....and the senior mainline pilots.

provide examples because this is a typical blanket statement.

I love you, Rez. You're so calm and very personable. That's what makes you a people person.
Of course, you'd also consider some guy who has realistic concerns of ALPAs doing, as a whiner.

You offer no realisitc concerns. Your post about ALPA are immature and unprofessional. Look at the Colgan termination thread. There is a genuine effort there and all you can do is chide ALPA. It is childish.

It's the new ALPA mantra, you listen to us, and do as we say! We know what's best for the pilot group! Reps are nothing more than politicians, they run for a seat with the best intentions, make promises they can't keep. Then when they're in, they become the typical politician. If you are truly that naive to see that, then you need a new set of spectacles. But you seem like a semi smart guy, so I know you deny it in order to try to save face with ALPA.

You are correct. When you run for office and solicit votes... you are a politician. THat is true.. yet you act like this is a concept that you've just realized... which confirms that you've done a poor job managemeing your expctations and understanding. I can't help you if you erroneously think ALPA is something it is not. You must manage your won expectations. This is something adults do.

The thing of it is.... when some is elected do you really expect them to show up to meetings and fix everything for thier pilots? How is this different from Congress? What do you suggest that it better?

I really love this quote. For you to imply that a pilot is only a professional because they are ALPA, is hysterical. You take yourself and others too seriously. I know you're the guy who lives his daily life based off the ALPA Code of Ethics. Now be honest here, I know you have done this at least once, but how many times have you been driving your car to a friends house, pick up your cell phone and call that friend. Telling him you're in range, 15 minutes out and want to know where to park. Don't lie Rez, you're the Uber Professional pilot, it will go against the code of ethics!
So if ALPA is the only professional pilot group out there, how come your ALPA represented pilots are living like 3rd world nation people? Sleeping in crew rooms, eating 1 maybe 2 meals a day. Don't say that's not ALPA's fault, because ALPA negotiated their sub par pay.
But me, the unprofessional pilot, my pay was based off experience and years flying.

It is clear that you lack an understanding of what is a profesional.

Rez, your feelings are just hurt because someone kicked your girlfriends fat friend out of the party. I don't think she's coming back either, her feelings are hurt and she can't stop crying.
I'd also like to say ALPA can't do anything USAPA could. Based on ALPA's track record, they couldn't have gotten the trigger happy pilot's job as fast as USAPA did.

Once again.. back to the immaturity and insults.... as I said this is the best you can do.. it is the max of your skillset...

Aren't all the threats and child acts by ALPA towards it's pilot group, logged in the meetings minutes? If not, I'm shocked, because alpa is so anal on documentation of everything.
Or you you just read some of the threads on FI where guys are using the jumpseat as a leverage tool on pilots of a different pilot groups. Mainly because they're mad at something they voted on, or because they fly for an airline that didn't vote in alpa....twice.

Then access the docs and show what you say to be true.

Yep, because that was the sole reason they voted ALPA out. It had nothing to do with the years of BS the union handed them.
Just like accidents, it's never a single thing that causes the plane to crash. It's a long chain of mistakes.

If USAPA is the better choice you should be able to easily demonstrate that.... however, I think you'll just stick with what you do best... crybaby victim status and name calling.... Again.. you aren't even an ALPA pilot, no dog in the fight, yet you are on here constantly... why?

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Alright Wayback, then here's your chance.

What would you do differently that ALPA isn't doing that would IMPROVE the profession and QOL of airline pilots? I'm not looking for an ALPA bash-fest, but some real, realistic, practical and ACTIONABLE solutions. I'll give you some basic questions, but feel free to add on more:

1)What would you about Flight and Duty time regs that we all acknowledge need to be revised?

2)What (or how) would you solve the 'race to the bottom', regarding pay scales?

3)How would you handle the scope issues between mainline and contract carriers, to be fair to both sides?

Just remember, this isn't meant to be a bash of ALPA, this is how would YOU handle these and other issues if ALPA didn't exist.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[WayBack]

you aren't even an ALPA pilot, no dog in the fight, yet you are on here constantly... why?

Rez, sorry I am going to have to get back to you later. My son has an upset stomach and it smells like he just took a great big ALPA in his diaper. I gotta go change him. I'll get back you later, tootles!

 

[WayBack]

Alright Wayback, then here's your chance.
/QUOTE]

Wow, really? You're giving me a chance? Oh my!
Well, I don't have time to type out my answer right now, see my response to Rez.
But to give you an idea of what I would do...
I would start by making sure ALPA is removed from property.
Then we could get some work done.

 

[PCL_128]

Why do you guys even waste your time with these two fools (WayBack and CopilotDoug)? Just put them on your ignore list and be done with them. They have nothing to contribute and are probably just Ford & Harrison hired hacks.

 

[WalterSobchak]

This message is hidden because PCL_128 is on your ignore list.

What a spectacular idea!

 

[WayBack]

Ford & Harrison hired hacks.

Who is Ford & Harrison?

PFT128, I'm insulted that you'd refer to me as a "hired hack".
I've worked very hard to get where I am today, and I never had to pay $30k a year to built flight time in a King Air. Why don't you like the man who works for a living and earns his way up?
Instead, you appreciate the guys who write a check for the fastest advancement possible, along with the guys who need the support of a Union to help them remember to breathe every day.
But I do have to commend you on a job well done. Those guys would forget to tie their shoes every morning if it wasn't for the Union.

By the way, how's that mustache coming in?

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Why do you guys even waste your time with these two fools (WayBack and CopilotDoug)? Just put them on your ignore list and be done with them. They have nothing to contribute and are probably just Ford & Harrison hired hacks.

Simple. The more one calls out people like WayBack and CopilotDoug (who have no real solutions to the issues in our business), the more immature and idiotic they look, and that makes me happy.

I'll give JoeMerchant credit, at least he served in the union and tried to do what he felt was right for his group and the industry as a whole. I personally do disagree with the whole RJDC debacle, but those who supported it, rightly or wrongly, at least had the power of their convictions behind them. JM at least was trying SOMETHING (even if it was wrong), rather than the two previous tools who only bitch and moan, but with no real substance.

And Wayback (and CopilotDoug, you are welcome to join in too, under the same rules), I don't really expect a good answer from you. But the door is open; I'd really like to see some constructive debate as opposed to the standard 'F&%k ALPA' drivel. I would be happy to be surprised.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[WayBack]

Simple. The more one calls out people like WayBack and CopilotDoug (who have no real solutions to the issues in our business), the more immature and idiotic they look, and that makes me happy.

To quote a great man of our time - "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded".

I

'll give JoeMerchant credit, at least he served in the union and tried to do what he felt was right

He's not the only one.

And Wayback (and CopilotDoug, you are welcome to join in too, under the same rules), I don't really expect a good answer from you. But the door is open; I'd really like to see some constructive debate as opposed to the standard 'F&%k ALPA' drivel. I would be happy to be surprised.

If you think that this post of yours is going to touch my heart and I'll change my ways, you couldn't be more wrong. All you ALPA chumps are the same. So predictable.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

To quote a great man of our time - "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded".

I He's not the only one.



If you think that this post of yours is going to touch my heart and I'll change my ways, you couldn't be more wrong. All you ALPA chumps are the same. So predictable.

Well, what can I say?

FAIL!

Really didn't think you could do it. Just another loser who bitches and moans, but refuses to discuss any solutions of REAL substance.

It's a shame. I actually am interested in real ideas, because instead of just complaining about our 'situation', I'd be far more interested, and you would have more credibility if you would present solutions instead. But I guess that goes beyond your mental capabilities.

I guess PCL was right.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Alright Wayback, then here's your chance.

What would you do differently that ALPA isn't doing that would IMPROVE the profession and QOL of airline pilots? I'm not looking for an ALPA bash-fest, but some real, realistic, practical and ACTIONABLE solutions. I'll give you some basic questions, but feel free to add on more:

1)What would you about Flight and Duty time regs that we all acknowledge need to be revised?

2)What (or how) would you solve the 'race to the bottom', regarding pay scales?

3)How would you handle the scope issues between mainline and contract carriers, to be fair to both sides?

Just remember, this isn't meant to be a bash of ALPA, this is how would YOU handle these and other issues if ALPA didn't exist.

Peace.

Rekks

Here, I'll show you how this is done.

1) I would begin a letter-writing campaign to my elected officials, and encourage my fellow crewmembers to do the same. Might not get any results, but hey, getting 60,000 pilots on board shouldn't be too difficult, should it. I would also work with all media outlets to educate them on the issue at hand, and to have them get this information out to the traveling public. Of course this might not work, either, since the average American attention span is measured in microseconds.

Of course, ALPA is working on this, and has been for years. But as we have witnessed with Washington, the powers that be will generally listen to those with the biggest checkbook. How big is yours?

2) Encourage my peers in the industry to both a: educate the new pilots coming up in the ranks as to why accepting lower wages actually hurts them as well as the profession, and to b:resign their positions at their respective companies when management chooses to issue pay cuts. Of course it won't be difficult to accomplish this, seeing as their are no pilots out their willing to take these positions for less than what we get paid.

And I agree that ALPA has been woefully inadequate in this regarding education. ALPA should begin this education initiative in HIGH SCHOOL career days, and continue that program through college and beyond. And as far as item b, well a national seniority list might solve that, but how to implement that is beyond me.

3) Mainline has a right to protect what is theirs, but when they give it away to the regionals, then it is pretty much gone.

Again, ALPA does need to learn to think much further down the road, especially in this regard. The negotiating capital that would be expended to regain that flying would be prohibitive at this point.

See, I'm not the same as any old ALPA cheerleader, and I don't personally believe that PCL and REZ are either. Does ALPA have flaws, yep! Does ALPA also do great things? Yep. Is ALPA worth the 1.95% it costs us? Some would debate that, but I believe it is a small (tax deductable) cost to us.

You would gain far more credibility by being constructive, rather than destructive.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[WayBack]

Well, what can I say?

FAIL!

Really didn't think you could do it. Just another loser who bitches and moans, but refuses to discuss any solutions of REAL substance.

Rez, is this you?

It's a shame. I actually am interested in real ideas, because instead of just complaining about our 'situation',

Wait a second, this sounds more like Obama.

I'd be far more interested, and you would have more credibility if you would present solutions instead. But I guess that goes beyond your mental capabilities.

Oh no! My credibility is lacking on FI!!! Aw shucks! Maybe it's because I don't feel the need to sit around and try to impress others with my deep thoughts about some has-been Union. I flew with a guy once at the airlines, and while were at the hotel bar, he tells our FA "Old fighter pilots can't get hired in the 135 world after we retire. So I had to rely on my cranium and get an education from Havard." Most guys who sit around and try to tell you how much they know about everything, usually can't balance their check book.....maybe that's why ALPA has problems balancing their budget?

I guess PCL was right.

I don't care what you say, that guy is never right about anything. Ok, maybe some things, once he told me his alone time ritual was dipping Wendy's french fries in his frosty. I must say it was quite tasty.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Rez, is this you?

Wait a second, this sounds more like Obama.

Oh no! My credibility is lacking on FI!!! Aw shucks! Maybe it's because I don't feel the need to sit around and try to impress others with my deep thoughts about some has-been Union. I flew with a guy once at the airlines, and while were at the hotel bar, he tells our FA "Old fighter pilots can't get hired in the 135 world after we retire. So I had to rely on my cranium and get an education from Havard." Most guys who sit around and try to tell you how much they know about everything, usually can't balance their check book.....maybe that's why ALPA has problems balancing their budget?




I don't care what you say, that guy is never right about anything. Ok, maybe some things, once he told me his alone time ritual was dipping Wendy's french fries in his frosty. I must say it was quite tasty.

Whatever. You prove my point again and again. But thanks for playing.

Peace.

Rekks

Oh, not REZ, by the way.