Quit ALPA Now!

[nethan]

Nice... so he's gone from saying ALPA is throwing away 44 million and they suck to wondering why they'd be the middle man to wondering if they will get investigated for insurance fraud.

Anybody want to start a pool as to what's next?

 

[sunlitpath]

I wonder when ALPA will cease to exist...

 

[Raoul Duke]

Check your facts before rambling incoherently. The settlement is final, but that has nothing to do with ALPA's suit against UAL to enforce the language that requires UAL to pay the settlement. It may take a while, but UAL will likely have to pay the entire settlement amount in the end.

As far as ALPA "eating the bill," the amount that ALPA actually has to pay, as opposed to what the insurance companies will pay, is rather small. ALPA's budget is still balanced for the year and the financial situation is improving.

ALPA will not collect a dime - they will be bringing a lawsuit against United's bankruptcy estate. This is all optics by ALPA to try to cast the blame somewhere else.

 

[Taco Rocket]

I wonder when ALPA will cease to exist...

Probably after the United/Continental merger.

JP and the MEC will be slotted in the top 5%, the rest to fend for themselves like dogs.

"Career Expectations"

 

[sunlitpath]

ALPA will not collect a dime - they will be bringing a lawsuit against United's bankruptcy estate. This is all optics by ALPA to try to cast the blame somewhere else.

That's what I suspected

 

[Speedtape]

That's fine, but ALPA is not above criticism. In fact, they are very deserving of it...

What's your ALPA number?

 

[CopilotDoug]

the union is still in fine shape

And it is the number one priority of the Union to keep it that way. Airlines come and go, but whatever we do, keep the Union alive at all costs.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

FK ALPA, All day, all night...

Well at least SOMEONE will be getting some....


...not so much here...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

ALPA also paid the scabs at the rjdc $600,000! Again, to avoid the award of an outside jurt giving one cent to these losers. The good news for them, is that it went all to their high priced lawyer.

 

[Nevets]

And it is the number one priority of the Union to keep it that way. Airlines come and go, but whatever we do, keep the Union alive at all costs.

Of course its a priority. What other entity has helped make this profession as safe as it is? Airlines come and go but many of the pilots who worked there go to other airlines and ALPA continues to make the industry more safe for them despite the poor decisions of their previous employers.

 

[BoilerUP]

Would it really be too much to ask to keep crew room lawyers in the freaking crew rooms?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Of course its a priority. What other entity has helped make this profession as safe as it is?

The FAA and NTSB come to mind.

Airlines come and go but many of the pilots who worked there go to other airlines and ALPA continues to make the industry more safe for them despite the poor decisions of their previous employers.

This career has become a joke. A safer joke, but a joke none-the-less.

And at least ALPA has its credibility intact, and that has paid off in dividends for the pilot groups [sarcasm]

 

[ATR Pirate]

do i need another reason to laugh at the people who still pay 2% to ALPA..i hope they go bankrupt..i left my ALPA airline and went to a better place, wish i had done it sooner

 

[quinnlake]

...And the alternative would be what, exactly?

By the way, what sort of work do you do for YOUR pilot group?

EXACTLY-- Those the bitch the most contribute the least.

 

[CopilotDoug]

What other entity has helped make this profession as safe as it is?

Correction...it's no longer a profession, but a hobby.

(A safer hobby at that)

 

[Nevets]

The FAA and NTSB come to mind.

This career has become a joke. A safer joke, but a joke none-the-less.

And at least ALPA has its credibility intact, and that has paid off in dividends for the pilot groups [sarcasm]

Correction...it's no longer a profession, but a hobby.

(A safer hobby at that)

And who is a party to every NTSB investigation dealing with an ALPA carrier (whose expertise from ALPA's Engineering and Air Safty department they rely on)? And who is asked to participate in ARCs and Call to Action meetings by the FAA? And who is the current FAA administrator?

ALPA has paid off in dividends to all pilots, members or not by helping make the act of piloting safer, whether its a hobby, for business, entertainment, humanitarian, or as a way to earn a living.

 

[Tarzan]

And who is a party to every NTSB investigation dealing with an ALPA carrier (whose expertise from ALPA's Engineering and Air Safty department they rely on)? And who is asked to participate in ARCs and Call to Action meetings by the FAA? And who is the current FAA administrator?

ALPA has paid off in dividends to all pilots, members or not by helping make the act of piloting safer, whether its a hobby, for business, entertainment, humanitarian, or as a way to earn a living.

Come on now Nevets. Every organization eventually outlives its usefulness. Possibly ALPA has met its end of useful existence. Simply because they are there means only that they have been around longer and allowed to become more bloated with useless positions on the backs of its union members. Don't get me wrong. I still believe an organization that extends protections bound by law is a good thing. ALPA itself has been around too long and grown too powerful as lobby organization. Fire every single head of ALPA every other term and I begin to feel better about them. Until them, they are just another outfit that is self serving for the "policy makers."

 

[Nevets]

Come on now Nevets. Every organization eventually outlives its usefulness. Possibly ALPA has met its end of useful existence. Simply because they are there means only that they have been around longer and allowed to become more bloated with useless positions on the backs of its union members. Don't get me wrong. I still believe an organization that extends protections bound by law is a good thing. ALPA itself has been around too long and grown too powerful as lobby organization. Fire every single head of ALPA every other term and I begin to feel better about them. Until them, they are just another outfit that is self serving for the "policy makers."

Just because you don't agree with every single head of ALPA does not mean that ALPA has outlived its usefulness. I dont always agree with everything ALPA does. And I'm not necessarily against term limits either. But by definition, ALPA, or any other organization is self serving.

 

[Tarzan]

Just because you don't agree with every single head of ALPA does not mean that ALPA has outlived its usefulness. I dont always agree with everything ALPA does. And I'm not necessarily against term limits either. But by definition, ALPA, or any other organization is self serving.

That becomes the problem though. Term limits alleviate the issue though. However, ALPA has been around a VERY long time. Plenty of time for certain habits to formed that do not necessarily justify their existence. My thought was pure speculation as far as ALPA outliving its usefulness as an organization. Although witht he current train of thought, it may have in fact be reaching the end of its existence.

 

[WayBack]

ALPA and Obama have so much in common.
They both claim that everything that is good, is because of them.
Everything that is bad, is because of someone else.

ALPA making things safer? Debatable. They've been fighting for new flight and duty rules for the last 40yrs. Everything is an ALPA contract is pretty close to FAA FAR's. Maybe :30 or :60 minute difference.