PSA(unbelievable!!)

[D'Angelo]

The pilot's are standing up for themselves against the typical "Take it or leave it deals". This is not negotiations, this is a company dictating the terms in which we run or lives as you said. How is that ok? If the pilot's want improvments, then the MEC negotiates for them. A company unwilling to negotiate is a company heading for destruction. You have to take a stand at some point. This pilot group learned that some time ago. They are unwilling to have it happne again.

So did they first take a poll of EVERY eligible member to vote? If they didn't then they just screwed their member ship. If the pilots wanted to vote to get the airplanes they have every right to demand a vote and tell the MEC to stop trying to hold their weiner when they try to go pee pee. Pilots are big boys they can make their own choices. Let a vote be had and let the chips fall where they must. UNION CORRUPTION MUST STOP NOW!!

 

[80for80]

No more jets at Mesa untill things are fixed in our current contract.......! Why dont you stop bashing us for once and back us? We did not take any concessions in our current contract! We had to give up the world to get our scope clause (get rid of freedom) EG, lower pay rates days off etc. let us not forget that we are also on a 28 day bid cycle (13 pay periods a year copmpared to your 12) and our 10 day off a bid is equal to your 12 days in a 30 day period! This airline gig is not going to get any better untill the pilots at all airlines back one another! Rant over...Flame away beotches!

Ok, So you had to give up the "world" to get your precious scope clause. You had to give up pay and QOL to get it, so you say. Now you say that you want pay and QOL in your new contract. What happens when JO says you can have your pay and QOL in your new contract all you have to do is give up your scope? You Mesa pukes know JO, he's NOT going to give you both! So what do you want? As long as regionals are just franchises to a major, nothing will reverse this process.

 

[khsgt]

No more jets at Mesa untill things are fixed in our current contract.......! Why dont you stop bashing us for once and back us? We did not take any concessions in our current contract! We had to give up the world to get our scope clause (get rid of freedom) EG, lower pay rates days off etc. let us not forget that we are also on a 28 day bid cycle (13 pay periods a year copmpared to your 12) and our 10 day off a bid is equal to your 12 days in a 30 day period! This airline gig is not going to get any better untill the pilots at all airlines back one another! Rant over...Flame away beotches!

Math isn't exactly correct...10 days off on 13 bids is 130 days off per year, 12 days off a month is 144 days per year...that's two weeks difference...Now for those of us on 8 days off reserve...DIS IS BU!!SHEET

NOW, I'm a mesa pilot, and we need your backing. We have a huge contract fight coming up, and its going to be an ugly one. If anybody sees any of our newbies, don't berate them or insult them, try to help them understand WHY they have to be a part in this fight, why they can't be scared of managements tactics, and why they have to stand with the rest of the pilot group. We need everybodys help and support so that we can RAISE the bar on this contract, even if we have to take it to a strike (moderatly likely). This is gonna be ugly, but its time that JO and MAG are forced to give the pilot group what we deserve...no holds barred

STFD

 

[Fallingbrick]

D'Angelo=Management

This message is hidden because D'Angelo is on your ignore list. :smash:

Management says, ”Blah, blah, blah, blah…livin it up,…blah, blah, blah, blah,…your lady should work,…blah, blah, blah, blah…lazy unions,…blah, blah, blah, blah,…nice two bedroom condo,…blah, blah, blah, blah,… let me tell you about chicken grease!

How close am I?

 

[328dude]

So did they first take a poll of EVERY eligible member to vote? If they didn't then they just screwed their member ship. If the pilots wanted to vote to get the airplanes they have every right to demand a vote and tell the MEC to stop trying to hold their weiner when they try to go pee pee. Pilots are big boys they can make their own choices. Let a vote be had and let the chips fall where they must. UNION CORRUPTION MUST STOP NOW!!

Answer my first question D. I want to hear your reasoning on how it's ok for a company to dictate the terms in which we live or lives. This is exactly the opposite in which you said. The overwhelming majority of pilot's on this property are in support of this MEC and their efforts to secure some protections.

You must be managment based on your previous post's.

 

[zman]

I hope we at Mesa will take them, we will undercut anyone in those airplanes. I dont care I am already RICH.

 

[D'Angelo]

Answer my first question D. I want to hear your reasoning on how it's ok for a company to dictate the terms in which we live or lives. This is exactly the opposite in which you said. The overwhelming majority of pilot's on this property are in support of this MEC and their efforts to secure some protections.

You must be managment based on your previous post's.

well to an extent the company is always going to run your life in some fashion. They make the schedules that tell you when to work and ultimately they say what you need to make to stay competitive. It's ok because they are the ones signing your check. People seem to forget that. Without management there is no airline. If you want to make the big dollas you can always be in management. Now answer my question was every member polled? How do they know where the entire membership stands without a poll. They are only assuming however a poll would remove all doubt. So again I ask why was the MEC too cowardly to run it out to a vote. If it wouldve been voted down as easily as you say then there would be nothing to worry about. Also newbies should be allowed to vote, their future is at stake too.

 

[SuperKooter]

I suppose that we should trust and believe what management says. That would be the moronic thing to do.

If you worked for a trucking company and they told you that you are going to go to school to learn to drive the new 18 wheeler and you will have more responsibility but you aren't going to get paid extra for it. WWYD?
Flying around 10,000lbs of fuel and 90 people at 35,000' is a dangerous job and should be paid as such. If you think otherwise then u r the moron.

who cares. You didn't get more pay or anymore planes no growth no money you got nothing. How is this a victory for you?

 

[D'Angelo]

who cares. You didn't get more pay or anymore planes no growth no money you got nothing. How is this a victory for you?

The union didn't even let them vote kooter. how messed up is that. those union members are scabs. putting the union before their family! haha what a great definition

 

[CRJMonkey]

nope game over. The planes WILL go to the lowest bidder. This was your chance to snatch some flying from Mesa. Now the planes will go there. Piss poor product or not they need cheap.

"D" don't usally agree with most of your postings,but I do think your right on about this one!! So back to my original question,what's next for you PSA Pilot?

 

[Fallingbrick]

This message is hidden because SuperKooter is on your ignore list. :smash:

Sorry…blocked your other user name as well. Shouldn’t you be over on the major board trying to get info on CAL? Anyway…time to golf because I’m just some lazy union pilot who has too many days off and way overpaid to boot.

:beer:

 

[2ndGenPSA]

union's job

I thought unions were there to just negotiate and not tell people how to run their lives. Their job is to put everything to a vote. The PSA union should be recalled immediately for this crime. Not letting the pilots vote on something as important as growth issues is arrogant. Why do you have to pay 1.95% again to let people run your lives?

You are correct to say that the union is there to negotiate on OUR behalf. Did they poll us? Yes. They were on the road, asking for input, phone calls, etc. ANYONE who wants their voice heard, has multiple ways of doing so.

The union's job is to negotiate with the company on our behalf. PSA put a proposal on the table, slid it right past the union, over to the pilots. No negotiations whatsoever. Tell me WHAT union would stand for that, and THEY are the ones who should be recalled. In fact, the last PSA MEC did just that, ratified agreements without a pilot vote (once with a NO vote from pilots... imagine that), and the pilots voted in a new MEC.

The PSA Pilots are in good hands with the new MEC. USAir is no longer in bankruptcy. Our most recent contract and its subsequent LOA's are all concessionary. No more. This move by management is extremely insulting.

So, direct your rash words toward a union withOUT a backbone, D'Angelo.

 

[OPECJet]

Union reps are elected to represent. That's what's happened here.

 

[D'Angelo]

Unions are there to negotiate and then let their memebers vote. There is no proof one way or the other if it would pass or not until the vote is complete. Some people may have changed their minds. I also agree if a union ratifies a deal without member vote that is inexcusable and they must be impeached. This is supposed to be a democracy

 

[BoilerUP]

Unions are there to negotiate and then let their memebers vote. There is no proof one way or the other if it would pass or not until the vote is complete. Some people may have changed their minds. I also agree if a union ratifies a deal without member vote that is inexcusable and they must be impeached. This is supposed to be a democracy

Go back to 8th grade social studies, D. We live in a republic, not a true democracy.

 

[D'Angelo]

Go back to 8th grade social studies, D. We live in a republic, not a true democracy.

thats the government im talking about a union. Why should they have direct control over YOUR career when YOUR the one being forced to throw 2% away every month. If pilots really want to take a stand everyone withhold their dues for a couple of months. I guarantee you things will change. They cant fire the entire airline right. If this directly impacts your career you should vote period end of sentance.

 

[2ndGenPSA]

D, you're still missing the point. The company offered this proposal to the pilots, bypassing the union and the heart of the RLA: NEGOTIATIONS. There were NONE. You don't work at PSA I presume. So you don't know how your voice would be heard here, nor do you know if the MEC is currently representing this pilot group's sentiments (which it is).

It is now in Management's court to negotiate in good faith, or take the risks. This mgmt group is on puppet strings. If they do not produce an agreement that the MEC then the pilots can swallow, they miss the biggest opportunity in their careers. No way they will let this slip through their hands without more of an attempt. I predict this realization will lead to negotiations and a *more* acceptable agreement to put out to the pilots for a vote. They know all they need is 51%, and that's what they'll shoot for.

I'm done with this topic. Hope I shed some light on what's actually going on at PSA.

 

[D'Angelo]

D, you're still missing the point. The company offered this proposal to the pilots, bypassing the union and the heart of the RLA: NEGOTIATIONS. There were NONE. You don't work at PSA I presume. So you don't know how your voice would be heard here, nor do you know if the MEC is currently representing this pilot group's sentiments (which it is).

It is now in Management's court to negotiate in good faith, or take the risks. This mgmt group is on puppet strings. If they do not produce an agreement that the MEC then the pilots can swallow, they miss the biggest opportunity in their careers. No way they will let this slip through their hands without more of an attempt. I predict this realization will lead to negotiations and a *more* acceptable agreement to put out to the pilots for a vote. They know all they need is 51%, and that's what they'll shoot for.

I'm done with this topic. Hope I shed some light on what's actually going on at PSA.

That is absolutely ridiculous. The pilots should have been allowed to vote anyway. I say good for the company for bypassing the MEC. The RLA is too liberal as it is. Management should be able to shoot offers right out to the pilot group. If the MEC can authorize a TA without even holding a vote then pilots should be able to vote on such an important issue bypassing the MEC all together. I thought the pilots were the union huh? Only when its convienent I guess

 

[Gofish]

The aircraft belong at Mainline like the Fokkers before them. Aircraft at mainline mean jobs at mainline.

 

[redbook]

That is absolutely ridiculous. The pilots should have been allowed to vote anyway. I say good for the company for bypassing the MEC. The RLA is too liberal as it is.

Working hard for your money today D'Angelo?

Funny how news hits you are on the front lines as managements no. 1 spokesperson for every regional.

Of course you say good for the company. How much are you getting paid to say that?

 

[CSR]

Just heard that PSA has turned down the 900's!!
So what is next for you PSA Pilots???

They go back and negotiate for more pay, better work rules etc, exactly the way its supposed to work. This is classic bargaining technique.

 

[D'Angelo]

They go back and negotiate for more pay, better work rules etc, exactly the way its supposed to work. This is classic bargaining technique.

Thats old bargaining technique. New technique is fine these planes go to mesa then.

 

[146guy]

nice job PSA! its good to see others taking a stand for this profession.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Great job PSA. It is so refreshing to see someone tell management to suck it for a change.

 

[jetfo]

So I ask again of PSA pilots - is this simply a rumor, or is there some truth behind it?

BoilerUp:
It has not been voted down. The MEC has refused to put it up for a membership vote without negotiations.

 

[ex j-41]

nope game over. The planes WILL go to the lowest bidder. This was your chance to snatch some flying from Mesa. Now the planes will go there. Piss poor product or not they need cheap.

SO LET THEM!

What was offered to us at PSA was crap. And you know what they say...If it smells like siht, looks like siht, then it most likely is siht.
I would like to thank the MEC at PSA because they didn't waste our time with the pathetic offer. It is nice to see people with integrity in this industry. Shame that can't be said for management!

 

[D'Angelo]

SO LET THEM!

What was offered to us at PSA was crap. And you know what they say...If it smells like siht, looks like siht, then it most likely is siht.
I would like to thank the MEC at PSA because they didn't waste our time with the pathetic offer. It is nice to see people with integrity in this industry. Shame that can't be said for management!

Management does have integrity though. They sign your paycheck every month. Without them you wouldn't have a job to complain about. Funny how quickly people forget this. Unions are the ones lacking integrity. They try to rob the company blind every chance they get.

 

[jayme]

D'Angelo, How does any of this suggest the MEC is corrupt? In order for them to be corrupt, they must be getting something out of this, right?

Therefore, since they didn't get anything out of telling management to suck it, then they MUST have been acting with integrity.

Oh, and yeah, you're a moron.

 

[PropPiedmont]

Mark Stanely rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bizzum]

Management does have integrity though. They sign your paycheck every month. Without them you wouldn't have a job to complain about. Funny how quickly people forget this. Unions are the ones lacking integrity. They try to rob the company blind every chance they get.

Where do you come up with this crap? integrity....if it was up to management they would be signing your paycheck, only the amount would be alll ZEROS....and i believe it is the COMPANIES that rob the employees blind in this industry, I don't see too many CEOs taking massive paycuts. Granted, unions have their issues, but IMO they are the only things that keep us from flying for free!!....AGAIN I SAY...You sir are an idiot.....