PSA runs off runway during a aborted takeoff at CRW!

[suupah]

Yeah, you go off to the south west without that and you won't stop till you hit downtown!

There is actually a grave yard immediately below or down the hill from the edge of the EMAS. We used to mention that in our take off briefings.

 

[Snapperhead]

config warning? anti skid?

Are you really going to abort for an anti-skid? Think about it.

 

[sperfly]

Are you really going to abort for an anti-skid? Think about it.

Sarcasm Perhaps?

 

[Erlanger]

The airport has it's own Facebook account and posted pictures. This is funny(or maybe not so funny - hey mom I'm on Facebook); an airport doing this. Can you imagine every airport doing this? Expect your screwups to be posted folks. And the airport even sent it out on Twitter.

http://www.facebook.com/FlyCRW

 

[wlacy]

I have heard various accounts regarding that DC-6 which ran off the side of the hill at CRW. The rumors are the Six was trying to land and the brakes failed so Cappy decided to cob the throttles and take it around the patch but instead the old girl went off the side of the cliff and split wide-open spraying the contents of the aircraft (Pot, in this case) all over the hillside. Supposedly the pot started growing, and unbenounced to the cops, the locals started harvesting it off of the hill leading up to the airport. I'll add that the pilot made an out of court settlement. He didn't serve any jail time at all.

 

[BrownStreak]

The important thing is everyone is ok. Speculating on why they stopped is pointless but it was definitely for a good reason because we all know that runway is short and the view at the end is not a good one if you're not taxiing.

 

[Data]

Are you really going to abort for an anti-skid? Think about it.

Oh, that's happened. We even got a memo about it a month or two back! You can't fix stupid.

 

[jet pipe ovht]

Is the EMAS part of the stopway? How'd they get into the EMAS?

Do the ACARS numbers keep you out of the EMAS if you stomp on it at V1-1kt?

EMAS cant be used in performance calcs, neither can the stop way, acars only uses the usable runway for calcs.

 

[Lufthansa]

EMAS cant be used in performance calcs, neither can the stop way, acars only uses the usable runway for calcs.

Not sure what criteria PSA uses for takeoff data, but most Part 121 carriers I've seen use data that is predicated on 121.189c1. Which states:
" The accelerate-stop distance must not exceed the length of the runway plus the length of any stopway."

So, yes, on a high speed abort on a runway limited field you can expect to go through the end lights and end up resting in the stop way area; or EMASS; assuming you do everything right.

 

[JumpersAway]

I always understood the T/O data to include the use of the stopway, or in this case, the EMAS. In short, I fealt that C.W. was a departure not to be aborted unless a wing fell off..............

Installing EMAS would actually do more damage to an airframe at several airports rather than the grass at the end. It's too expensive and very impractical for many airports. If the ASA 700 would have used the EMAS at SAV, it would have torn some stuff up good (gear doors, struts, belly skin, etc.). With the grass at the end, it probably just needed to be hosed off and given an inspection with few, if any, broken parts as a result............

 

[Dubya]

Republic blows.

 

[SLUF4]

The 700's nosegear had to be replaced after they got done towing it out of the mud if I remember correctly

 

[CFI2766]

The 700's nosegear had to be replaced after they got done towing it out of the mud if I remember correctly

It was damaged, but not from the overrun. The word I heard was that the damage came from the tow out of the grass.


Also, so far as the numbers from the ACARS, I vaguely remember some language somewhere that mentioned that the numbers from the ACARS were 'optimized' to include the stopway and clearway in performance calculations. If my memory serves (doubtful, but possible), this was something that ASA didn't do in times past.

 

[Abernathy]

They may include the stopway and clearway based on *distance* but do not take into account the opposing force and friction that EMAS provides, so it's a moot point in this case. Without the EMAS the plane would have dashed right off the end of the runway and probably ended up in a flaming wreckage some ways down considering it was probably just fueled before it took off.

I just want to know what the reason for the abort was and, perhaps more importantly, why the calculations didn't work (assuming they aborted prior to V1). Not only did the calculations not work, they failed miserably. If the reports are anywhere near correct, they were apparently going fast enough to plow through most of the EMAS before coming to a stop.

 

[GeneralAv]

Ha ha! The Pot Plane! I lived in CRW back then!

 

[JustaNumber]

If the reports are anywhere near correct, they were apparently going fast enough to plow through most of the EMAS before coming to a stop.

Looking at the video someone posted earlier, it looks like they went less than 100' past the threshold. Either they were fairly slow when they entered the EMAS, or that stuff works really well.

 

[ekuflyer]

Does max antiskid braking leave marks like this? I am not sure. I would not think so.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3205072&id=85843703089

 

[N813CA]

Don't think it would. My guess is they didn't work

 

[Flyin2low]

AntiSkid on the CRJ200 is operational down to 10kts wheel speed. It does look suspicious.

 

[DC8Driver]

Listened to the ATC feed and it sounds like it might have been bird ingestion.

Where can you listen to this at?