PSA runs off runway during a aborted takeoff at CRW!

[sniper]

That's pretty low, from an ex-Mesa, now a big guy Westie.

Florida Gulf was never a PFT outfit.....

PSA was

 

[sniper]

That's pretty low, from an ex-Mesa, now a big guy Westie.

Now say it again MESA SUCKS

 

[SpauldingSmails]

A highspeed abort on a 6,200 ft runway? At the highspeed regime at CRW, unless a wing fell off, I'm going.........

They don't call it Yeager Airport for nothin'!

 

[paddlehigh]

PSA gets training pay

 

[Captzaahlie]

lets hope that one crew gets retraining pay too...

 

[Headfake14]

I always understood the T/O data to include the use of the stopway, or in this case, the EMAS. In short, I fealt that C.W. was a departure not to be aborted unless a wing fell off..............

Installing EMAS would actually do more damage to an airframe at several airports rather than the grass at the end. It's too expensive and very impractical for many airports. If the ASA 700 would have used the EMAS at SAV, it would have torn some stuff up good (gear doors, struts, belly skin, etc.). With the grass at the end, it probably just needed to be hosed off and given an inspection with few, if any, broken parts as a result............

Agreed about EMAS. It's purpose is really for a larger safety margin for places where you can't get a 1000' over run..MDW... or where the end of the runway meets with water...BOS. Places like ATL have LOTS of room for overruns.

Regarding V1s. We at JB call it at -5.

Thank god that stuff stopped them. We don't need another fatal mess at all.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Without that EMAS they would have stopped down by the river.

 

[paddlehigh]

From what I understand they were almost stoppped when they went into the EMAS

 

[DiverDriver]

From what I understand they were almost stoppped when they went into the EMAS

Define "almost".

 

[kf4amu]

From what I understand they were almost stoppped when they went into the EMAS

Almost doesn't count when theres a 500 foot dropoff.

 

[johnboy99]

From what I understand they were almost stoppped when they went into the EMAS

From what I understand Monica Lewinsky would almost be blind had she not been wearing glasses.

 

[Captzaahlie]

There's a lot of crumpled concrete from "almost" the end of the runway until where they "almost" stopped before hitting the EMAS......

 

[N813CA]

Can anyone give a good reason the flaps are up? Our QRH during evac doesn't say anything about putting the flaps up. If that is the case did the Takeoff Config flaps fail and they tried to take off with no flaps?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Think of what this means. They do not want you @#%@# around in the highspeed regime of takeoff. Personally, I think we should call out V1 at V1-5 knots. Several CR2 operators already do this. If you callout V1 at V1, and a problem occurs a second before, by the time you abort, the aircraft will be above V1. All book calculations of stopping are now out the window.

Aren't "all book calculations" based on average reaction times?

We did the V1-5kts thing at my past airlines, too. If we're always going to call it 5kts early, why not just reduce V1 by 5kts?

 

[paulsalem]

Aren't "all book calculations" based on average reaction times?

Under part 25 certification there is a 2 second delay at Vef (engine failure) speed before any thing is done to stop the aircraft.

 

[BigFellor]

If that is the case did the Takeoff Config flaps fail and they tried to take off with no flaps?

No, they did not.

 

[Metro752]

Just wait for the NTSB report.

 

[Flyer1015]

They need to teach better on exactly what constitutes a high speed abort. You'd think it's common sense, but many don't seem to "get it." I cringe when I hear some pilots brief they will abort for any "Master Caution or Warning" below V1. Really? You'd take a 120 knot abort due to a master caution for something as stupid as a L Windshield heat msg? On the CRJ, above 80-100 knots, I can't think of any master caution I'd abort for. Short of flight control failure or the actual airplane being unable to lift itself off the runway, I would continue.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Without that EMAS they would have stopped down by the river.

Probably right next to my van.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

It's a great place to live.