PSA - Possible Safety Alert?

[BeCareful!]

Possible that the crew for the outbound flight was delayed. I've left 'em running when I've been told the outbound flight is in, say, 25 minutes. That's pretty common, and I'm sure there are times when the outbound crew is an hour late. OH FREEKIN' WELL!

Stick man, with a grand total of 00000 hours, you're pretty full of your self. Is it possible that you haven't been in aviation long enough to have any real perspective on what you are talking about? Do you know what a cycle costs on an APU?

MYOB, dude. You have no idea what the big picture looks like.

 

[38tango]

Are PSA crews allowed to leave a jet unattended (on a ramp) with the door shut and APU on for 45 mins?

If they are - um . . ok.

If they aren't, the crew of N246PS (Mon at DCA) needs to get their heads out of their asses. What a freaking prescription for danger.

Stick Man,

Mind your own business you POS. Idiots like you should be tossed in the sewer where they empty honey carts. You speak of safety and integrety on the line and you're petty enough to call a crew out on a public forum? You're a tool. I feel sorry for your coworkers...do they know there's a snake in the grass?

 

[Ted Striker]

UNSAFE. This is unsafe regardless of policy. This is especially dangerous when the a/c is in close prox to others, fuel is being delivered and total reliance is being placed upon systems and "redundant systems".

Ted - I walked over to the a/c and verified that the crew had left the a/c (the CA had a flight to catch - I assume to go home due to what I heard on his in range call). I watched the FA and FO leave and close the a/c. The reason that I noticed the situation is because appx. 15 mins after the crew left, I noticed a blinking yellow light in the cockpit on the glareshield. My crew thought it was a fuel truck rotating beacon reflection. Then I noticed exhaust fumes from a running APU. That's when I walked over to the a/c, flagged down a Ramp Super and queried.

Bottom line, the way you did this was STUPID. If you had a legitimate problem with it, get ahold of their union's professional standards. At least try to keep it in house Calling it out on a public forum, with tail number and all, deserves what you are getting. As far as the blinking yellow light, it could have been from almost anything with the APU running (EFIS COMP MON, HYD LOW PRESS, etc.) We rely on redundant systems on a daily basis, why is this different? The APU is in a titanium fire box, auto shutdown, auto fire suppresion, plus a horn goes off when the bottle fires to alert people. I have been told by many people that the Challenger is left with the APU on all the time. CRJ is just a big Challenger. My FOM/Ops Specs prohibit it, so I don't do it. If it allowed it, I would feel comfortable doing it. Worry about your own first. While you are snooping around other people's business, you don't know what/who is looking at your operation.

Bottom line, your concerns "may" have been valid, the way you went about it was dumb.

 

[mmmdonut]

Stick Man you're a fackin tool... mind your own business.

 

[mach.32]

If there POI allows it in there FOM, in there eyes it is safe. And yes, it was dumb to post that on this board.

 

[J32driver]

I'm sorry, I just can't get over this.

Are you a PSA crewmember? Doesn't sound like you are based on your original question.

SO.... you are telling crewmembers at a different airline.... with different procedures... how to run the show.... via a public forum.

You won't last in the airlines very long. Enjoy the stay....TOOL.

 

[Weasil]

not only is that an allowed operation... our FOM requires that the door is closed while the a/c remains powered and unattended. Bombardier have the cost analysis for such an operation and it is cheaper to leave the apu running for I believe 40 minutes then to shut it down and start it up again.

 

[BFE]

PSA - Possible Safety Alert?

Are PSA crews allowed to leave a jet unattended (on a ramp) with the door shut and APU on for 45 mins?
If they are - um . . ok.
If they aren't, the crew of N246PS (Mon at DCA) needs to get their heads out of their asses. What a freaking prescription for danger.

You start a thread with the title of "PSA - Possible Safety Alert?" and have done zero research into what the hell you are talking about.

This qualifies you as:
1) Monday morning quarterback
2) Vigilanti
3) Idiot


At PSA; it is approved to keep the APU running for long periods of time. This includes being on a jetway. Just as Ted noted above: there is numerous auto shutdown/protection features, a horn, and a titanium enclosure.

FYI: approved means that our POH approves it, which is approved by the FAA. So, go put your QB helmet on, get on your vigilanti horse, and tell the FAA and Bombardier how you feel.

 

[Stick Man]

So . . . .

Then they are allowed. The bottom line is that it is still a safety issue. GOM notwithstanding. Good judgement alone can override an allowable procedure. (Note that I put "can" in italics.) Especially when a $14.00/hr fueler is out on the side of an a/c. Especially when the a/c is at DCA (for a million safety reasons).

That was the reason for the initial post. (like I need to explain myself to a bunch of quick shooting, over verbose tards)

"If they are, um . . . ok."

By the way, freedom of speech does apply to internet post boards (minus owner or moderator rules or regs). I can mention N246PS all I want.

 

[Wasted]

Don't you have something better to do?

 

[172driver]

Why is it a safety issue? What does a fueler or DCA have to do with anything?

 

[treetopflyer]

stick man,,

you want something to do? grab my stick and tug on it for a while and be sure to wear your "safety" goggles because you are gonna get wet.

you are a fukcing tool

 

[canadflyau]

I think the fueler wants it on so he can single point rather than have to overwing it... at least that is how it was on the EMB120... even the old birdzilla had all 10 (I think thats the right number) auto shutdowns while on the ground (and unattended.)

 

[KingAirer]

Things have gotten a little better then when the e120 was build Canada

 

[Stick Man]

well . . .

edited