PSA offered 900's

[mamba20]

Not really that many upgrades, 45 to be exact since the APL is still open.

 

[LandRoverNut]

**************&$@#@!!!!! &%$#@!!!! That's what I have to say about this industry.

 

[b19]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I did fly at PSA, and they are a great bunch of guys, good safe pilots who deserve more. They kept the number of tools to bare minimum, unlike some other places.

When it comes to getting the 900's on the property (as opposed to Mesa) I am reminded of my ex. Prior to the marriage, I could call up on the phone and she would deliver faster than Dominoes, anytime day or night. Boy was I in for a rude awakening. Get them on the property, lots of kisses, walk down the isle, (training expenditures) and then do what my ex did .... kick em where it hurts.


Good luck guys,

Robert

 

[SuperKooter]

Shame ASA didn't get any. Thanks ALpa

 

[5150]

90 seat jets belong at mainline. I don't want 'em at PSA. Sad thing is when/if we pass up on them, someone else sure as hell will pick up the airframes and options.

EDUC8 is right. These A/C belong on mainline. ONE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED pilots on furlough from mainline. Many of us were hired at USAir or Piedmont 17 years ago and are on the street. WTF, over !

 

[PoorJetDriver]

I couldn't agree more. However, your ALPA brothers and sisters didn't agree during BKII.

 

[ABITRATOR]

It's funny that We all get on this sight and type all day complaining about the industry, but when are we going to do something about it. It's so funny that exactly one day after AWAC Turned down their management on flying larger Aircraft for less money, that PSA get offered 900s. We all need to start saying NO. Management is only doing this because they know they could play one pilot group against another.
And for those of you who get excited because of a faster upgrade, if we accept these lar

 

[ABITRATOR]

It's funny that We all get on this sight and type all day complaining about the industry, but when are we going to do something about it. It's so funny that exactly one day after AWAC Turned down their management on flying larger Aircraft for less money, that PSA get offered 900s. We all need to start saying NO. Management is only doing this because they know they could play one pilot group against another.
And for those of you who get excited because of a faster upgrade, if we accept these larger aircrafts at at a regional level all we will be doing is taking away mainline routes and flying them for alot less money. And how are we supposed to move to a major carrier if we keep flying their aircrafts and routes for less money.
If we settle now, Five years from now they are going to ask to fly an A318 for the same pay, and with the mentality which most gauys have, they will accept it.

 

[ASARJMan]

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[ASARJMan]

Shame ASA didn't get any. Thanks ALpa

Hey Pooper, go apply at SKYW if you don't like it at ASA. Shouldn't you as a management Neal, be carrying BL's golf bag this afternoon?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Beantown]

Who are we kidding?

PSA will be happy to take the planes for any number of reasons:

1. Keep them from Mesa.

2. Get them on the property & worry about the pay rates at a later time.

3. Upgrades, upgrades, did I mention upgrades!

I agree they would be keeping them from Mesa, at the same time setting a new low by flying them at an average of $2 LESS then a Mesa CA. (and the Mesa contract is up next yr).

I don't think these airplanes are going to Mesa no matter what. Hold strong and I think PSA gets them and a better payrate to go with it. My 2 cents. -Bean

 

[LearLove]

PSA pilots,

You guys should turn it down just to watch KH throw a fit.

 

[ex j-41]

I vote "NO", our pay rates are disgusting as they are. Flying a 90 seat a/c for less then other airlines flying airplanes half the size? No way.

We need to do 2 things....

1) Get more time to negotiate the rates.
2) PSA needs to show us some "Good Faith" ie: get scheduling to do their job properly and give us acceptable hotels, no industrial parks (All). No truck stops (Sleep inn). Our QOL is horrible.

When PSA management gives us these things then should we be OK in negotiating a 90 seat rate. Why should we sell our souls so they can make more profit?

 

[mamba20]

I agree with J41. . . More profits for the higher ups is the last thing they/we need. Speaking of, how is TK's brand new house coming along? Now where did I put my foodstamps? Hmm. . . . . .perhaps they are under my welfare renewal application.

 

[mamba20]

Another thought. Why do we even bother with single engine taxing, shutting down the APU as soon as both engines are started? I mean really. This is nothing more then a slap in the face so why should we even bother? I dont see it in our ops specs that we are required to do it and they go out of their way to violate our contract and insult us with the proposed pay rates, so really why? I mean if we bust our asses to try to save them money and this is the thanks we get then I say, both motors all the time!

 

[BeCareful!]

Longer tube for same pay? That's gay!

How management keeps a straight face when they ask for this crap is beyond me. That's why I'd never make it in their ranks: I'd be pissin' myself, laughing my ass off as I said "Now, we offer you these additional aircraft but we must keep our labor costs the same. Yes, we understand that these aircraft produce more revenue, but, as I'm sure you'll agree, you look much cooler taxiing around in a 900! Please, understand, I know we've told you for years that PSA is already profitable, and I know you want to believe you make less than the pilots at every other carrier operating CRJ900's, but that's the whole point: we make money because of our low costs. So, thank you. I know you'll enjoy these new, larger, more powerfully phallic CRJ's, and as always, thanks for taking it up the butt for the PSA team."

 

[jetfo]

Reality What A Concept!?!

it already is respectable. Everyone will just laugh and take your flying as you sit there "trying to make a difference". It won't do you one bit of good. Capitalism is beautiful

Thank you for some sanity!

 

[jetfo]

Who are we kidding?

PSA will be happy to take the planes for any number of reasons:

1. Keep them from Mesa.

2. Get them on the property & worry about the pay rates at a later time.

3. Upgrades, upgrades, did I mention upgrades!

They would be pretty stupid to turn them down alright, all to make some useless political statement and to watch Mesa thrive with even worse pay and work rules. That'll stop the race to the bottom!

 

[jetfo]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I did fly at PSA, and they are a great bunch of guys, good safe pilots who deserve more. They kept the number of tools to bare minimum, unlike some other places.

When it comes to getting the 900's on the property (as opposed to Mesa) I am reminded of my ex. Prior to the marriage, I could call up on the phone and she would deliver faster than Dominoes, anytime day or night. Boy was I in for a rude awakening. Get them on the property, lots of kisses, walk down the isle, (training expenditures) and then do what my ex did .... kick em where it hurts.


Good luck guys,

Robert

Now there is a good idea! Probably lost on this militant crowd though.

 

[jetfo]

It's funny that We all get on this sight and type all day complaining about the industry, but when are we going to do something about it. It's so funny that exactly one day after AWAC Turned down their management on flying larger Aircraft for less money, that PSA get offered 900s. We all need to start saying NO. Management is only doing this because they know they could play one pilot group against another.
And for those of you who get excited because of a faster upgrade, if we accept these larger aircrafts at at a regional level all we will be doing is taking away mainline routes and flying them for alot less money. And how are we supposed to move to a major carrier if we keep flying their aircrafts and routes for less money.
If we settle now, Five years from now they are going to ask to fly an A318 for the same pay, and with the mentality which most gauys have, they will accept it.

It's a nice thought, but you won't change a thing. Only a unified ALPA that establishes pay rates for number of seat flown across the board will ever change things for the better, followed by brand scope.

 

[jetfo]

I agree they would be keeping them from Mesa, at the same time setting a new low by flying them at an average of $2 LESS then a Mesa CA. (and the Mesa contract is up next yr).

I don't think these airplanes are going to Mesa no matter what. Hold strong and I think PSA gets them and a better payrate to go with it. My 2 cents. -Bean

Mesa is the only other place they can go and it would be so easy for them to do just that. Also, the PSA 700 rates are better than the Mesa 900 rates.

 

[ex j-41]

Mesa is the only other place they can go and it would be so easy for them to do just that. Also, the PSA 700 rates are better than the Mesa 900 rates.

Maybe the Capt's rates are...But have you looked at the F/O pay rate?
Can you imagine flying a 90 seat airplane for $21.85 and hour. If you don't see something wrong with that then you must be management. Have you non reved lately? Everything is full. I am tired of subsidizing ticket prices with my salary. $5 raise for F/O's or a NO vote is in order!

 

[rtmcfi]

............
nevermind

 

[jetfo]

Maybe the Capt's rates are...But have you looked at the F/O pay rate?
Can you imagine flying a 90 seat airplane for $21.85 and hour. If you don't see something wrong with that then you must be management. Have you non reved lately? Everything is full. I am tired of subsidizing ticket prices with my salary. $5 raise for F/O's or a NO vote is in order!

I don't disagree with you, but here we are:-(
And, no I am most definately not management, just a disillusioned realist. By the way, where are they paying 21.85/hour? I'll have to send my friends there!

 

[rsspilot]

And meanwhile you have no idea what your doing for the future of this career. You selling out now is only going to hurt you in the end. How many thousands of pilots with PIC are trying to get on at a real company? And you think going to MESA and getting 1000 PIC is going to make you a diamond in the ruff?

This is a ********************ty time for this industry and the only way we are going to have a career that is worth anything in the future is to not subscribe to this crap now! Vote NO!!! dont do it! Dont go to Mesa, your screwing all of us and yourself in the end! There is more to this then just PIC time, think about your career 20 years down the road. I promise you that if people keep this up you'll make more money picking peaches then flying an airplane.

You think that just refusing the flying is going to fix the problem? The clear problem is that there are too many pilots and not enough jobs....pilots are a dime a dozen now....that being said.....you got to fly to have a chance in this career and letting unions dictate how you want to pursue a career is rediculous. Dont let them bully and take a job if you can get one and dont worry about the pay today....it will come.

 

[jayme]

Dont let them bully and take a job if you can get one and dont worry about the pay today....it will come.

Not as long as tools like you are in this profession.

 

[jetfo]

Not as long as tools like you are in this profession.

No doubt your vast experience speaking.

 

[jayme]

First off, you have no idea what my experience is. I've updated my profile ONCE in 3.5 years.

Second, as long as you make it profitable to fly big airplanes at the "regionals", management will find a way to shift the flying to them.

The implication that if we fck ourselves now we will be rewarded later is idiotic.

 

[PoorJetDriver]

Utterly true, however, tell it to JBLU, the AAA MEC, UAL and the list goes on and on.

 

[jetfo]

First off, you have no idea what my experience is. I've updated my profile ONCE in 3.5 years.

Second, as long as you make it profitable to fly big airplanes at the "regionals", management will find a way to shift the flying to them.

The implication that if we fck ourselves now we will be rewarded later is idiotic.

Again, I don't disagree with you about how things should be, just how they are, and you are not going to change today's realities.
Long term goals have to be a national ALPA rate for the number of seats flown and a return to brand scope.
It is not going to happen tomorrow, hopefully sometime soon, and ALPA will have to be the driving force!