PSA offered 900's

[jetfo]

I agree they would be keeping them from Mesa, at the same time setting a new low by flying them at an average of $2 LESS then a Mesa CA. (and the Mesa contract is up next yr).

I don't think these airplanes are going to Mesa no matter what. Hold strong and I think PSA gets them and a better payrate to go with it. My 2 cents. -Bean

Mesa is the only other place they can go and it would be so easy for them to do just that. Also, the PSA 700 rates are better than the Mesa 900 rates.

 

[ex j-41]

Mesa is the only other place they can go and it would be so easy for them to do just that. Also, the PSA 700 rates are better than the Mesa 900 rates.

Maybe the Capt's rates are...But have you looked at the F/O pay rate?
Can you imagine flying a 90 seat airplane for $21.85 and hour. If you don't see something wrong with that then you must be management. Have you non reved lately? Everything is full. I am tired of subsidizing ticket prices with my salary. $5 raise for F/O's or a NO vote is in order!

 

[rtmcfi]

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nevermind

 

[jetfo]

Maybe the Capt's rates are...But have you looked at the F/O pay rate?
Can you imagine flying a 90 seat airplane for $21.85 and hour. If you don't see something wrong with that then you must be management. Have you non reved lately? Everything is full. I am tired of subsidizing ticket prices with my salary. $5 raise for F/O's or a NO vote is in order!

I don't disagree with you, but here we are:-(
And, no I am most definately not management, just a disillusioned realist. By the way, where are they paying 21.85/hour? I'll have to send my friends there!

 

[rsspilot]

And meanwhile you have no idea what your doing for the future of this career. You selling out now is only going to hurt you in the end. How many thousands of pilots with PIC are trying to get on at a real company? And you think going to MESA and getting 1000 PIC is going to make you a diamond in the ruff?

This is a ********************ty time for this industry and the only way we are going to have a career that is worth anything in the future is to not subscribe to this crap now! Vote NO!!! dont do it! Dont go to Mesa, your screwing all of us and yourself in the end! There is more to this then just PIC time, think about your career 20 years down the road. I promise you that if people keep this up you'll make more money picking peaches then flying an airplane.

You think that just refusing the flying is going to fix the problem? The clear problem is that there are too many pilots and not enough jobs....pilots are a dime a dozen now....that being said.....you got to fly to have a chance in this career and letting unions dictate how you want to pursue a career is rediculous. Dont let them bully and take a job if you can get one and dont worry about the pay today....it will come.

 

[jayme]

Dont let them bully and take a job if you can get one and dont worry about the pay today....it will come.

Not as long as tools like you are in this profession.

 

[jetfo]

Not as long as tools like you are in this profession.

No doubt your vast experience speaking.

 

[jayme]

First off, you have no idea what my experience is. I've updated my profile ONCE in 3.5 years.

Second, as long as you make it profitable to fly big airplanes at the "regionals", management will find a way to shift the flying to them.

The implication that if we fck ourselves now we will be rewarded later is idiotic.

 

[PoorJetDriver]

Utterly true, however, tell it to JBLU, the AAA MEC, UAL and the list goes on and on.

 

[jetfo]

First off, you have no idea what my experience is. I've updated my profile ONCE in 3.5 years.

Second, as long as you make it profitable to fly big airplanes at the "regionals", management will find a way to shift the flying to them.

The implication that if we fck ourselves now we will be rewarded later is idiotic.

Again, I don't disagree with you about how things should be, just how they are, and you are not going to change today's realities.
Long term goals have to be a national ALPA rate for the number of seats flown and a return to brand scope.
It is not going to happen tomorrow, hopefully sometime soon, and ALPA will have to be the driving force!

 

[Clipper_Aurora]

GO JETFO!!!, you all should see what he wrote on "PSA 900's invisible scabs" well wrote, nobody here really see's the big picture. Big boys at PSA going to turn it down, and MESA scoops it up and laughs right in our face while a avg. 35 year old FO at PSA is seat locked for the rest of his career, and while a 23 year old fresh out of MESA camp is a Captain on a fresh new 900,,,,thanks PSA, you sure showed them!

Get those F%%cking airframes on the property, fly them under those payrates for 1 year and then it's contract negotiation time, we'll have a hell of alot more power with 70 jets on hand then our 49 with 35 disposable 200's that Parker doesn't want anymore....no that's thinking smart!

OK.....I'm putting myself on the firing range here......here goes.......I VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Clipper_Aurora]

it Feels Soooo Goood

 

[WSurf]

And the downward spiral of the profession continues!

 

[ThrottleJockey1]

who is who?

Like the Jerry Springer show, the crowd looking on has the 'imaginary" high moral ground. Never argue with a dummy. The longer you do it, the harder and harder it gets to distinguish who is who.

 

[ex j-41]

By the way, where are they paying 21.85/hour? I'll have to send my friends there!

JetFO...

You talk like you know so much about this industry and right under your nose is all the info. PSA pilots are flying CRJ 700's for $21.85/hr. That equates to $340 a week after tax. It is discusting. How in the world can we accept poverty rates for a bigger airplane. They are insulting me and every pilot by offering us this crap. Send the airplanes to Mesa i am not interested.

 

[PropPiedmont]

Just remember kids, US Airways is now posting profits. You've all seen what the CLT terminal has looked like this last year. Packed wall to wall with paying passengers. There is absolutely no reason why a respectable -900 payrate can't be developed.

 

[Terrain Terrain]

once again PSA is going to a$$rape PDT. nice wipsaw your jerks

 

[ex j-41]

we'll have a hell of alot more power with 70 jets on hand then our 49 with 35 disposable 200's that Parker doesn't want anymore....no that's thinking smart!

What makes you think we don't have any leverage? If mesa gets the jets then Mesa gets some of the profit. US Aiways is in the business of flying people from A to B. Why get someone else to do the job for you when it is your name on the airplanes?
Nothing says that we cannot negotiate a fair wage for the airplanes. If we just sign on the bottom line it means that we did not "Negotiate" at all. They gave us a starting point and it is up to us to make it better. Just blindly signing is like being FRENCH and giving up! Your not french are you?

 

[jetfo]

GO JETFO!!!, you all should see what he wrote on "PSA 900's invisible scabs" well wrote, nobody here really see's the big picture. Big boys at PSA going to turn it down, and MESA scoops it up and laughs right in our face while a avg. 35 year old FO at PSA is seat locked for the rest of his career, and while a 23 year old fresh out of MESA camp is a Captain on a fresh new 900,,,,thanks PSA, you sure showed them!

Get those F%%cking airframes on the property, fly them under those payrates for 1 year and then it's contract negotiation time, we'll have a hell of alot more power with 70 jets on hand then our 49 with 35 disposable 200's that Parker doesn't want anymore....no that's thinking smart!

OK.....I'm putting myself on the firing range here......here goes.......I VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Clipper, but like you said, they just don't get it.

These people are idealist who want to change the world and think they can. Well, at 23 I thought I could change the world too. Now I have learned you don't change the world, you adapt to changes.

If the senior guys at PSA turn it down, it will be at their own peril. The FOs will just continue to leave in droves, as will the junior captains that can leave to greener pastures. But, like you said, PSA is not a viable company with 49 aircraft, 35 of which are uneconomical 50 seaters that everyone, including Parker, wants to get rid of.

Well see if cooler and more reasoned heads will prevail.

As far as the Piedmont guys on this thread, you guys don't even have a dog in this fight! Even if PSA declines the offer, you guys won't get them, they'll go to Mesa or GJet.

The hope for the future of Piedmont is that you guys may get Q400s in the future and get some growth.

 

[jetfo]

JetFO...

You talk like you know so much about this industry and right under your nose is all the info. PSA pilots are flying CRJ 700's for $21.85/hr. That equates to $340 a week after tax. It is discusting. How in the world can we accept poverty rates for a bigger airplane. They are insulting me and every pilot by offering us this crap. Send the airplanes to Mesa i am not interested.

Yeah, that will show them!

And, probably land you on the street, begging for a job at Mesa!