Please BUY AAI!!

[carl p]

"Bob Dylan":

Just curious. You left Continental and hired on at UPS the 2nd half of 2007. You have a great gig, and appear to have been very fortunate and very successful with your career. It is OBVIOUS that you have a great resume and solid background and demonstrated skillsets that 2 MAJOR Airlines wanted and hired. Congratulations... my hats off to you and I MEAN that.

Question: With these kind of credentials and accomplishments that YOU have achieved.... why do you exhibit the online immaturity that you have taken towards the AAI Pilots, and start and facilitate online bickering, dissent, and fights between 2 opposite carriers that have no concern to you?

It really surprises me to see someone of your stature and obvious position in this industry, to be so bored with life, to log online and act like this, anonymously behind a keyboard.

Why?

Great post, I guess there is no such thing as the GOLDEN RULE on the internet.

 

[PapaWoody]

Me thinky former AirTranny now SWA.

Or maybe he's a former SWA dude that's now an AirTranny. Oh, wait, there aren't any of those. Questions?

PW

 

[canyonblue]

.......... but using statements I made from the past and applying them to our situation now? A little out of context, don't ya think?

Yes Officer Mark Fuhrman.

During cross-examination, Fuhrman, when asked by defense attorney F. Lee Bailey whether he had used the word "staple", said he hadn't used the word in 10 years. The defense produced four witnesses to establish that Fuhrman had used the word "staple" more recently; as well as an audiotape contradicting his testimony.

 

[Lear70]

I'm comfortable that we've established the context of the statement. You want to keep dredging up the comments of one person who was on the street when he said them? I'm sure that will get you a LOT of mileage in the SLI...

 

[Ty Webb]

Or maybe he's a former SWA dude that's now an AirTranny. Oh, wait, there aren't any of those. Questions?

PW

Uh, just one.

What do you hope to accomplish with all of your negativity towards your future coworkers? You can post all day and all night, but it's not going to change your ISL position by one number. All you're doing is impressing yourself . . . . and no one else. :laugh:

 

[luv2fly]

Uh, just one.

What do you hope to accomplish with all of your negativity towards your future coworkers? You can post all day and all night, but it's not going to change your ISL position by one number. All you're doing is impressing yourself . . . . and no one else. :laugh:

Pot meet kettle!

 

[MILF Hunter]

Uh, just one.

is that the one that got fired from swa in 2007?

 

[PapaWoody]

Uh, just one.

What do you hope to accomplish with all of your negativity towards your future coworkers? You can post all day and all night, but it's not going to change your ISL position by one number. All you're doing is impressing yourself . . . . and no one else. :laugh:

Actually, I'm not trying at all to project any negativity towards my future coworkers. I'm just pointing out that when it comes to what people expect from a career at any given airline, they will always move in the direction that they think increases the quality of their career. Since no one (except maybe one fired SWA dude - unsubstantiated) moved in the direction SWA to AAI but there are plenty of examples of the opposite, then it seems fairly unanimous which airline the pilot community would rather work at as a whole (with respect to these two). As they say, the proof is in the pudding. But only because we have better pay, better workrules, better QoL, better management, better benefits, better.....it's nothing personal, just better. And for the record, I intentionally did not put "better pilots" or "better people" because I don't believe that at all. So, please don't try to imply any negativity to my posts Ty, that truly would be the pot calling the kettle African American. :laugh:

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

 

[Ty Webb]

Since no one (except maybe one fired SWA dude - unsubstantiated) moved in the direction SWA to AAI but there are plenty of examples of the opposite, then it seems fairly unanimous which airline the pilot community would rather work at as a whole,
PapaWoody

That's called an anecdote, and it's not going to impress an Arbitrator.

How many SWA pilots left SWA to go to UAL, CAL, Delta, American, USAir? Things change. Contracts change. The industry changes. Seniority within the list doesn't change.

 

[roughneck]

How many SWA pilots left SWA to go to UAL, CAL, Delta, American, USAir?

A handful, literally. Our attrition rate since the start of SWA has been lower than any other carrier as supported by public filings. What has AirTrans attrition rate been? 5-10% annually?

The good new for all AT pilots is that you will no longer be looking for another job. No matter where you fall I'd wager you will likely stay here until retirement. It is that good here. Welcome aboard.

 

[RedDogC130]

That's called an anecdote, and it's not going to impress an Arbitrator.

How many SWA pilots left SWA to go to UAL, CAL, Delta, American, USAir? Things change. Contracts change. The industry changes. Seniority within the list doesn't change.

And how many have left the above to come to SWA since 2004? More than a handful from what I remember

 

[PapaWoody]

That's called an anecdote, and it's not going to impress an Arbitrator.

How many SWA pilots left SWA to go to UAL, CAL, Delta, American, USAir? Things change. Contracts change. The industry changes. Seniority within the list doesn't change.

Rest easy, Ty, your seniority within your list won't change at all. You will still be senior to all the AAI guys that you're senior to now, and junior to all the ones you're junior to now. However, since your seniority on our list is exactly zero, you can rest assured that whatever seniority you end up with here will be a change for the better.

Fraternally,
PapaW

 

[AnimalTale]

Just to be honest.

When SWA came for F9. I knew my quality of LIFE and Future expectations would become MUCH better at SWA. I was a realist.

Not many people these days are honest.

On the other hand,

Give Airtran guys a break, they are holding their own. They have many airplanes, a couple great bases etc. Airtran is nothing like Frontier. Frontier was a DIE ing animal.

CYA

 

[roughneck]

When SWA came for F9. I knew my quality of LIFE and Future expectations would become MUCH better at SWA. I was a realist.

I'm sure most AirTran guys feel the same way. Thanks for the honesty. Too bad F9/SWA didn't work out. We would have loved to have you guys as brothers. Best of luck.

 

[Ty Webb]

Rest easy, Ty, your seniority within your list won't change at all. You will still be senior to all the AAI guys that you're senior to now, and junior to all the ones you're junior to now. However, since your seniority on our list is exactly zero, you can rest assured that whatever seniority you end up with here will be a change for the better.

Fraternally,
PapaW

PW, you are going to be the most upset of all when the list comes out, because your expectations are not in touch with reality. You might as well change your screen name now to PapaLimpy, because even the blue pill ain't gonna help you for a while. :laugh:

 

[ASADFW7]

Ty you crack yourself up, that is good have a sense of humor. I have lost some of it with this back and forth discussion for positioning of bragging rights on the internet. Last time I looked flightinfo was not going to be admissible. Lets hope you do not see Pappywoody over your shoulder asking you to grab on with both hands. Hey that was funny. Seriously, I need to detox off this stuff, and go back out into the yard and get a life.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty you crack yourself up, that is good have a sense of humor.

Ty aims to entertain, amuse and inform . . . in no particular order.:laugh:

 

[PapaWoody]

PW, you are going to be the most upset of all when the list comes out, because your expectations are not in touch with reality. You might as well change your screen name now to PapaLimpy, because even the blue pill ain't gonna help you for a while. :laugh:

Wow, Ty, you might want to get back on the anger meds! I try to make an attempt at a little levity, and you immediately go on the offensive. Pretty much SOP for you, though. For the record, I won't be disappointed at all with with the combined list, my seat is pretty much assured. Plus, my expectations are based on the realities of this particular situation, and let me let you in on a little secret - relative seniority is not gonna be part of the reality of this particular situation. Other than that, I don't think I've tried to do anything other than inject a little reality into these arguments. You might want to re-read your own posts and take the beam out of your own eye, before you start trying to point out the mote in mine.

PapaWoody

 

[Ty Webb]

Levity is humor, PapaL, and your posts aren't humorous. You're simply posturing and trying to lower expectations in an incredibly ham-handed and transparent manner.

I'm not angry, and, just like you, I don't believe my seat is in question, so we should both be happy.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't think a staple would be appropriate, either, but the acquiring company has a funny way of deciding what is "appropriate" or not...

I'm just thinking of the percentages right now, which I believe are close to what you said at first... about 1/3 would be angry, and the other 2/3 would be telling the MEC to sign it as long as there was a no-furlough clause built into it and wouldn't get irritated until a few years later when there's little upward movement and they're stuck on reserve for 3-4 years.

Do you think a fair offer is a staple with a no furlough clause? I think that would pass a vote.

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey, Bobby D-

News Flash- You don't work for either airline. And you likely never will.

How about we worry about our business, and you worry about yours? :laugh:

 

[Bob Dylan]

Bump.

 

[RJ Bum]

Bump.

wtf????

 

[redflyer65]

Classic.

 

[waveflyer]

Even Staple. Anything to put us out of our misery. The MESA with boeings has gotten worse by the day. I am sure you will NOT see a crazy reaction like Frontier pilots had!!!! See where that got them.....

Southwest CEO on mergers: 'Never say never'

Southwest Airlines chief says 'never say never' to the idea of a merger

Not an awful perspective to keep as this progresses.
Realistically, from AirTrannies only- what do you honestly think is the percentage that feel the way this poster did in December 2009?

 

[Bob Dylan]

Bumping for justice.

 

[Lear70]

This message is hidden because Bob Dylan is on your ignore list.

 

[shootr]

Lear,

You can hide Bobbie but you can't hide your own comments. Sorry...had to go there. How was your dinner?

shootr

 

[400ADude]

Speak for yourself, skippy, as long as there was a no-furlough clause, I'd take the longevity pay and happily go sit reserve in MCO, MDW, wherever...

How about Oakland and if you don't like it then you can interview again for the third time!

 

[Lear70]

Lear,

You can hide Bobbie but you can't hide your own comments. Sorry...had to go there. How was your dinner?

shootr

Dinner was great, we had a huge birthday party for a friend of mine, got to see a few people I hadn't seen in years (gotta love Facebook), the kids went crazy until they collapsed asleep, and slept in today. Cold but the rain held off long enough to go to the street carnival up the road with my son and girlfriend. Great weekend, altogether.

And if Skipper was quoting me, I've said it before, I wasn't in the 121 world back when I made that statement, was still fighting to get my job back and would have been happy to be anywhere other than where I was. Pretty crappy time in my life. Happy to see more and more people at AirTran responsible for that crap hitting the road permanently. Gonna open a bottle of Dom P when the last of them is no longer in a management position or permanently elsewhere in the corporate world.

Either way, my personal feelings at the time aren't indicative of the AirTran pilot group at large. One person is hardly an indication of the entire pilot group's thoughts on an SLI. But if it makes ole B.D. happy to quote me over and over again like it's accomplishing something... hey, that's what he does. It's why we call him "skipper"... like a broken record... skip... skip... skip...