Please BUY AAI!!

[Colonel Savage]

Well, with the exception of the outsourced near-international, I would tend to agree. I think we'll end up with a good contract, though, and still be doing just fine on the CASM.

Hard not to notice that the Skywest arrangement occurred shortly after ALPA arrived on AAI property. I would hate to think that it's a sign of things to come, via another one of those cozy "wink and a nod" relationships between airline management and ALPA.

 

[PanPan]

Hard not to notice that the Skywest arrangement occurred shortly after ALPA arrived on AAI property. I would hate to think that it's a sign of things to come, via another one of those cozy "wink and a nod" relationships between airline management and ALPA.

WOW!!! Is your head so firmly planted in your ars that you actually believe that our current leadership approved of the Skywest flying?

 

[Max Powers]

Hard not to notice that the Skywest arrangement occurred shortly after ALPA arrived on AAI property. I would hate to think that it's a sign of things to come, via another one of those cozy "wink and a nod" relationships between airline management and ALPA.

This guys a clown who likes to speak out his ars.....best bet is to ignore him.

 

[Colonel Savage]

This guys a clown who likes to speak out his ars.....best bet is to ignore him.

I'm afraid that doesn't mean much coming from you, Counselor. For an attorney I find most of your comments here snarkish, like you've done here, and void of any real content.

You are consistent, I'll grant you that.

 

[maxblast72]

Hard not to notice that the Skywest arrangement occurred shortly after ALPA arrived on AAI property. I would hate to think that it's a sign of things to come, via another one of those cozy "wink and a nod" relationships between airline management and ALPA.

The timing of the Skywest deal has to do with only one thing: the current phaseout of Skywest's 12 aircraft contract with Midwest. When Skywest's contract was cancelled with Midwest (when Republic bought Midwest), Skywest had to find a new home for the airplanes. Being that no legacy needed additional 50 seat lift, Skywest offered Airtran MKE lift on a revenue prorate deal. I fully expect all 12 of Skywest's airplanes that used to fly for Midwest to be flying for Airtran in MKE by the end of 2010.

12 Skywest airplanes would represent about 2% of Airtran's total ASMs and thus be allowed per our current CBA.

 

[waveflyer]

But the point of this thread is still there. With all the REAL issues you guys are dealing with, why on earth wouldn't you want southwest to buy you? (that's not an egotistical question- our pilots are mostly very happy)

Sorry PCL- but you do sound like you'd only be happy at alpa

 

[Dan Roman]

Well I will say this from a whole different angle as far as mergers go.
Back in the 80's Piedmont was one of the best airlines around, many thought the same about working for USAir. PSA was also a very good job, albeit not as secure as USAir and Piedmont. Anyway, they all merged and it was a steady downhill spiral ever since. I could never figure out why two of the more financially and operationally strongest airlines merging could create such a losing operation.

 

[maxblast72]

I have no objection to a merger. I think a combined SWA/Airtran would be a real domestic powerhouse. Increased profitability for the combined company would be beneficial for all the employees in the long run (as SWA is good at rewarding their employees when the company is successful).

 

[Cometman]

I have no objection to a merger. I think a combined SWA/Airtran would be a real domestic powerhouse. Increased profitability for the combined company would be beneficial for all the employees in the long run (as SWA is good at rewarding their employees when the company is successful).

SWA will never merge with a company that is fairly profitable. They will wait until they can buy pieces from airlines that go into chapter 11. They would do better to grow internal. Why would they want to create a mess like US Airways. Once they merge that will be the end of SWA as everybody knows them.

 

[slaquer5]

Well I will say this from a whole different angle as far as mergers go.
Back in the 80's Piedmont was one of the best airlines around, many thought the same about working for USAir. PSA was also a very good job, albeit not as secure as USAir and Piedmont. Anyway, they all merged and it was a steady downhill spiral ever since. I could never figure out why two of the more financially and operationally strongest airlines merging could create such a losing operation.

Please do not put Piedmont in the same class as USair. Piedmont was a class operation that could have beat SWA at its own game. USair is only good at changing there name 10 times as so to ditch there bad reputation.

 

[Lear70]

Please do not put Piedmont in the same class as USair. Piedmont was a class operation that could have beat SWA at its own game. USair is only good at changing there name 10 times as so to ditch there bad reputation.

Wasn't always that way. 20 years ago, USAir was a great place to be. I grew up with that airline, so sad to see what it has become...

 

[Dan Roman]

Like I said, USAir and Piedmont were two of the best airlines in the industry to work for. Obviously, some preferred one or the other, but the undeniable fact is they once were great airlines, they merged and both went way downhill.

 

[Cometman]

Like I said, USAir and Piedmont were two of the best airlines in the industry to work for. Obviously, some preferred one or the other, but the undeniable fact is they once were great airlines, they merged and both went way downhill.

You are correct. Once a good airline joins with another good airline they go down hill. That is why SWA will never merge with a profitable airline. They will wait until they can buy pieces or take them when they fail and are in chapter 11.

 

[K-Mart]

Speak for yourself, skippy, as long as there was a no-furlough clause, I'd take the longevity pay and happily go sit reserve in MCO, MDW, wherever...

I don't think I'd be in the minority, either. Our flight crews aren't nearly as negative as you think we are, except when it comes to being the longest major airline in mediation in recent history with a management group demanding concessions after the most profitable decade of the airline's entire history.

Give us SWA's contract, a management team that didn't constantly reinterpret it to our detriment, and furlough protection? You'd see a completely changed group dynamic. Not hard to understand...

Did you really say this?

 

[K-Mart]

I'll take it, sign me up.

You got it!

 

[K-Mart]

I know 800 +- FO's who would take a staple today. About half the CA's would get a pay raise as WN FO's and the other half have hugh ego's that will say no to anything.

Really??

 

[vv100]

Speak for yourself, skippy, as long as there was a no-furlough clause, I'd take the longevity pay and happily go sit reserve in MCO, MDW, wherever...

I don't think I'd be in the minority, either. Our flight crews aren't nearly as negative as you think we are, except when it comes to being the longest major airline in mediation in recent history with a management group demanding concessions after the most profitable decade of the airline's entire history.

Give us SWA's contract, a management team that didn't constantly reinterpret it to our detriment, and furlough protection? You'd see a completely changed group dynamic. Not hard to understand...

Saved\forwarded before it disappears forever

 

[Ty Webb]

Holy wayback machine, Sherman! Pretty funny . . . . but if you think those comments from anonymous "pilots" almost two years ago have some sort of value today, I think you'll be disappointed.

 

[K-Mart]

Holy wayback machine, Sherman! Pretty funny . . . . but if you think those comments from anonymous "pilots" almost two years ago have some sort of value today, I think you'll be disappointed.

Dude. That was last December. Either way it is funny.

 

[maxblast72]

SWA will never merge with a company that is fairly profitable. They will wait until they can buy pieces from airlines that go into chapter 11. They would do better to grow internal. Why would they want to create a mess like US Airways.

You want to bet $1.4 Billion?

 

[jonjuan]

Holy wayback machine, Sherman! Pretty funny . . . . but if you think those comments from anonymous "pilots" almost two years ago have some sort of value today, I think you'll be disappointed.

Less than 10 months ago.

 

[greed]

5 pages, min.

You called it well in advance

 

[waveflyer]

Hilarious- seems many at AAI are counting their eggs before they hatch....
Funny

 

[Lear70]

Did you really say this?

Back when I was on the street waiting for my arbitration and reinstatement?

I surely did...

 

[Lear70]

Saved\forwarded before it disappears forever

You didn't need to. Comments I made while I was on the street spending 9 days a month at home flying wounded and deceased soldiers home (not a fun way to spend a career) stand on their own for what they were at the time.

Now that I'm back and online, looking at a 2 to 2 1/2 year upgrade? Not as much, no.

I won't complain about the merger, but using statements I made from the past and applying them to our situation now? A little out of context, don't ya think?

 

[GuppyWN]

Can you guys explain what has changed since December?

Gup

 

[27 driver]

Contrail,

I would never approve of a SWA buying United. Our airline would go from cool to stool and our flight attendants would get even older and more gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that

Gup

Gup, You have to remember that most of these decisions are made way above the rank and file pilot level. You will not be asked if you approve. If it is good for the share holders the deal will be made. Airlines aren't in business to give pilots jobs, but to make share holders rich. If the deal increases the bottom line it will be done.

 

[GuppyWN]

True dat!

But we all get a chance during this SLI to cut off our noses to spite our faces.

Right?
Gup

 

[redflyer65]

Wholly flashback. Pretty eye opening stuff.

 

[shootr]

I won't complain about the merger, but using statements I made from the past and applying them to our situation now? A little out of context, don't ya think?

I've stayed out of this in public as my union has requested but I've watched with interest. With that said...

Lear,

You can't backpedal from your own words any more that Christine O'Donnell can say she's more mature now with ANY credibility. You've changed your mind because you want as much as you can get from this deal, fair or not. I don't blame you for this stance. I'd be the same way in your shoes. Just calling a spade a spade. I hope we end up with a FAIR deal that we can vote on and just as you, I hope I'm not on the receiving end of pilots that have to give up something. Somebody will, though.

Now I know why SWAPA wants us off the message boards with regard to any possible outcomes that would be acceptable to us. These post will be presented at the arbitration hearing, guaranteed. I'm sure they've already been saved.

Looking forward to getting along in the long run,
shootr