Pinnacoloba bankruptcy this week

[IamGumbyDammit]

Talking out of both sides of your mouth= a lot of posts.

 

[jynxyjericho]

The only softball you have hit so far is your admittance that unless you were 61 years old, you made a mistake by not flowing up. Looking at today's financials for your company and the legacy, it looks like hindsight is 20/20. Wow, some people were myopic indeed, unless they were 61 at the time.....

Bye Bye---General Clown

I know it's been a while since elementary school but 65-7 = 58 or 61-10= 55... 65-4 would equal 61... so where are you getting the four from? Review post #78 maybe where I made multiple references to the 7-10 year timeline... I pretty sure I talked about a 5 year timeline too somewhere back there. The problem remains that I can't see where you are getting 4 years from.

Can't read or do math can you? Take off your shoes if it helps.

You are a very strange and handicapped person.

 

[SplitBar]

This from a 50 year old Saab FO. Do you have a love interest way up in International Falls? What's his name?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Wrong ASSumption again General. I wear the same wings that you do...well at least the same ones you claim to wear. I got no beef with you sir but you really need to get a life and stop being such a pompus a$$. You really are a patethic individual who is trying to compensate for something here. Enjoy your lonely life on FI.

 

[SplitBar]

I am not talking about the others, I am talking about the flow up to Delta, not NWA that was beforehand, the last one. Other airlines probably had bad ones, and I am not familiar with those, but I am with the one that was offered recently (a year or so ago?). That was a perfect opportunity for guys to bail from Mesaba, especially with the known fact that there is a huge amount of retirements coming up here. The flow up included NO INTERVIEW, NO MEDICAL, NO PSYCH EVAL, nothing but a class date. A VERY VERY GOOD DEAL, and some of you guys at Mesaba turned it down! And then it wasn't passed on to anyone else, you couldn't just pass it along until someone took it. Some may have been worried about being furloughed possibly down the road, but there is still a flown down (if necessary) to Compass, which would have been available, to their Captain seats. (Still can't figure out why the Mesaba flow down slots were taken, that is a bit ridiculous, since some people DID take the flow up.....) Now Delta is making money, and retirements are coming up, and there was no interview/medical/tests etc. MSP and DTW were junior bases (some got NYC, but within a bid they could go back to MSP/DTW most likely) All I can say is WOW. Unbelievable



Bye Bye---General Lee

General, again you don't know the facts so here ya go. Only 27 pilots have flowed to Delta post merger. The most junior pilot with the chance to flow Delta wasn't even in the top 100 because most of those pilots bypassed the NWA flow and it's a one shot deal. Once you pass up the flow you can't rebid it. Pilot #127 was the most junior pilot eligable for flow to DAL and they only had to go down the list 30 #'s to get the 27 so only a few passed it up. 2 of them have a lot of family $$$ / Sugar Mommas and I'm not sure about the other one. As far as the next 50 in line only a few will pass it up as they more junior and much much younger than the top 100. Everyone in the top 100 who passed it up is making $100K-$125K, 18 days off, 4 weeks vacation, 125% 401K match, no commute. Deal with it GL, they are more than content where they are at.

 

[DoinTime]

Everyone in the top 100 who passed it up is making $100K-$125K, 18 days off, 4 weeks vacation, 125% 401K match, no commute. Deal with it GL, they are more than content where they are at.

Time will tell if that was a good decision. PNCL has a far greater chance of being shuttered in the next 5+ years than NWA/DAL does.

 

[SplitBar]

Time will tell if that was a good decision. PNCL has a far greater chance of being shuttered in the next 5+ years than NWA/DAL does.

Even if DAL parks all the 200's PNCL will still have 50ish 900's and I don't see those planes going anywhere for a long time and that is more than enough to keep the top 100 pilots content. I'm not saying there isn't a rough road ahead for you guys but the discussion here is about the top 100 pilots and I don't see much downside for those guys/gals.

 

[xjhawk]

yup, I have seem a lot of concern about the top 100 mesaba guys. I am glad they get their cake and eat it too.

 

[jynxyjericho]

yup, I have seem a lot of concern about the top 100 mesaba guys. I am glad they get their cake and eat it too.

Lol, I know right?

 

[xjhawk]

"n" for all of you spelling and grammar Nazi's out there

 

[On Your Six]

I just read DL owns all 41 of Mesaba's CR9s, and it is unlikely they will come down on their lease payment reduction requests from PNCL (as read in yesterday's Aviation Daily web page article from Aviation Week). What would prevent DL from just transferring those CR9s to Gojets if they got fed up enough with PNCL? Couldn't they do that just like the CR7s from ASA and Skywest? What would those senior Mesaba guys do then if that were ever to happen? I hope it doesn't, but there's no telling if it ever would. Never get too comfortable, I learned that too.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[budd]

You have to start somewhere, right? Oh, you expect the same pay and probably the same seat......within 3 years you are close to make the same, and at 5 years you pass it. You can also move up or down aircraft types, which can increase your pay depending on whether or not you are a line holder or not. If you are 61 years old, then yeah, maybe it wasn't a good move to flow up. If you were younger, that might have been a mistake. Also, if you are that old, you might be "used to" your schedule, the old guy driving the van in Alpena, and you do know the ATC freqs by heart. Anything new might be difficult. That's understandable.



Bye Bye---General Lee

OK we get it, your GOD. You gotta be the biggest fukkin retard on this planet. 16000 post on a web board and you claim to be a HEAVY driver. Most heavy drivers I know don't even know this website exist. Someone should tell your mom to limit your internet time. 16000 post!!!! How can you possibly have a job. I don't wish bad things on to many people but I really hopen you get hit by a very big truck. Mr Online GUY!!!!(Brad Paisley) Fukkin idiot.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Anybody want to know what DAL can do, check out Freedum Airlines....
They can do almost anything they want.

 

[On Your Six]

OK we get it, your GOD. You gotta be the biggest fukkin retard on this planet. 16000 post on a web board and you claim to be a HEAVY driver. Most heavy drivers I know don't even know this website exist. Someone should tell your mom to limit your internet time. 16000 post!!!! How can you possibly have a job. I don't wish bad things on to many people but I really hopen you get hit by a very big truck. Mr Online GUY!!!!(Brad Paisley) Fukkin idiot.

Your airline possibly going bankrupt for the second time is really stressing you out. There are plenty of heavy drivers on this website, all aviation enthusiasts. Instead of taking out your frustrations on GL, you may want to instead go buy a twelve pack of Schlitz and just mellow out, knowing you are just along for the ride. Good luck to you.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Anybody want to know what DAL can do, check out Freedum Airlines....
They can do almost anything they want.

If they own the planes, that is true.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[silver02ex]

I just read DL owns all 41 of Mesaba's CR9s,

Godspeed!


OYS

I'm not sure if you are counting the 16 of the 900 that's flying out of ATL. Pinnacle owns those 16 of the CRJ-900. The ones that were flying for Delta in 2007 before DAL/NWA merge.

 

[jynxyjericho]

I just read DL owns all 41 of Mesaba's CR9s, and it is unlikely they will come down on their lease payment reduction requests from PNCL (as read in yesterday's Aviation Daily web page article from Aviation Week). What would prevent DL from just transferring those CR9s to Gojets if they got fed up enough with PNCL? Couldn't they do that just like the CR7s from ASA and Skywest? What would those senior Mesaba guys do then if that were ever to happen? I hope it doesn't, but there's no telling if it ever would. Never get too comfortable, I learned that too.


Godspeed!


OYS

So, General, can you actually count to 41?

Anyway, what's your point exactly? Pinnacle has another 12 or 16 of the -900's as well, our senior guys got a 2.7:1 so the top 100 would be on the -900's there. Congruently, if all -900's would be parked they would just move down to the -200's... so on and so on and so on. Do you work for an airline General Lee? It seems like you are confused about the simplicity of seniority.

Besides, as the years go by and they get closer to that big 65 it's really all academic anyway. They'll be cruising around on their boat at one of the many MSP area lakes (or points beyond). What is your obsession?

If you want to deal in possibilities lets talk about something more realistic. When the Delta pilots sell out scope again, and the larger aircraft come down to a regional level like PCL, what will our top 100-115 do with the very few years remaining before retirement? Stay on the -900 and coast, or go over to an airbus type aircraft and blast around on yet another type given to us by mainline? Let's just hope that never happens. Let's face reality though, if Mainline gives up on scope the airbuses will be going to Mesa and GoJet's because they are cheapest.

Anyway, bye for now General.

OYS

 

[xjhawk]

If Mainline gives up on scope, somehow I feel they will do as NWA did. They started another airline to launch the EMB 175. Compass bypassed the super senior MEsaba pilots that flew the Avro (which I think the EMB 175 replaced). With Compass they had everyone on year 1 pay. Heck their most senior are still only on year 4 pay (5) while Pinnacle is paying 20 year guys to fly the 900. I hope the 100 seat scope holds strong-otherwise I will be applying at some start up regional that everyone will call scab work since Pinnacle is pretty much screwed from here on out

 

[jynxyjericho]

If Mainline gives up on scope, somehow I feel they will do as NWA did. They started another airline to launch the EMB 175. Compass bypassed the super senior MEsaba pilots that flew the Avro (which I think the EMB 175 replaced). With Compass they had everyone on year 1 pay. Heck their most senior are still only on year 4 pay (5) while Pinnacle is paying 20 year guys to fly the 900. I hope the 100 seat scope holds strong-otherwise I will be applying at some start up regional that everyone will call scab work since Pinnacle is pretty much screwed from here on out

Yeah, not a bad plan or prediction. Unfortunately, thanks to Phil, this ride is gonna be a short one. Too bad Delta hitched us up to a falling star.

"Pinnacle saved us!"

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, not a bad plan or prediction. Unfortunately, thanks to Phil, this ride is gonna be a short one. Too bad Delta hitched us up to a falling star.

"Pinnacle saved us!"

It's called high gas, inefficient RJs, and not enough EAS money to cover SAAB routes. Some of the routes from MSP had an average of 6 or 7 passengers per flight to the those cities. That's NOT GOOD. What would Mesaba be without 50 seat RJs, Saabs, and the 40 or so CRJ-900s that Delta actually owns? Not much. Analysts are starting to say that AA Eagle may go down to 55 total planes by 2015. If that doesn't say something, then nothing does. PNCL did save you. Unfortunately some of those cities you served would be better served by PC12s flown by Seaport Air, or C402s flown by Cape Air. And don't blame Delta for that, it's called economics. This is where it would have been good for you guys to negotiate some sort of scope provisions.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Spinn555]

Some of the routes from MSP had an average of 6 or 7 passengers per flight to the those cities. That's NOT GOOD.

Bye Bye---General Lee

EAS pays the same per flight, regardless of the total PAX on board. Completion factor is the name of the game for EAS, not seats sold.

Great Lakes and SkyWest, and NWA have/had been masters of this for decades. Delta just needed to bid the EAS high enough to make it work. They just don't don't like Delta paint on ' dem prop jobs.'


moron.

 

[General Lee]

EAS pays the same per flight, regardless of the total PAX on board. Completion factor is the name of the game for EAS, not seats sold.

Great Lakes and SkyWest, and NWA have/had been masters of this for decades. Delta just needed to bid the EAS high enough to make it work. They just don't don't like Delta paint on ' dem prop jobs.'


moron.

How is Great Lakes doing by the way these days? They have mostly EAS routes, and they can barely pay for the BE1900 leases. Congress has been debating whether or not to even extend the EAS program, which pays for a lot of empty seats. What if it just dropped? Can you justify a Saab for 5 passengers? No, you can't. A PC12 can handle that or a Caravan. You are the Moron.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[FishandFly]

General Lee,
Has there ever been a poll on whether you, sir, are the biggest moron?

Wonder how that would turn out?

 

[FOrever85]

This is where it would have been good for you guys to negotiate some sort of scope provisions.


Bye Bye---General Lee[/QUOTE]



HA HA HA HA, a major airline pilot telling a regional pilot he should have scope!!!! Classic.

Sweet, I didn't know you could scope whole cities.

How the f*&k would that have worked anyway?

We want scope on all the small cities in the upper midwest or we strike!
Damn I knew we missed something in that last contract.

Dumbs&it!

I won't even bother correcting all the other crap you have wrong in this thread.

Stick with what you know..... The newspaper and microsoft flight sim

 

[General Lee]

This is where it would have been good for you guys to negotiate some sort of scope provisions.


Bye Bye---General Lee

[ HA HA HA, a major airline pilot telling a regional pilot he should have scope!!!! Classic.

Sweet, I didn't know you could scope whole cities.

How the f*&k would that have worked anyway?

We want scope on all the small cities in the upper midwest or we strike!
Damn I knew we missed something in that last contract.

Dumbs&it!

I won't even bother correcting all the other crap you have wrong in this thread.

Stick with what you know..... The newspaper and microsoft flight sim[/QUOTE]

Comair had the chance after their strike, and blew it. They went for the pay, instead of watching their own backyard. They thought they owned CVG, and how did that work out? Gojets will be moving in on whatever they have left in that small hub now. ASA did the same thing, thinking ATL was safe. How many different regionals do we have in those airports now? All of that is thanks to the Comair strike.

But, we have learned also from those huge mistakes. Don't expect us to go into ANY negotiations without SCOPE being at the TOP of the list. Without scope, high payrates do no good, and we can all see that now. You're welcome for the history lesson. Enjoy your Metroliner, or whatever you will fly next.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General Lee,
Has there ever been a poll on whether you, sir, are the biggest moron?

Wonder how that would turn out?

I seriously don't care.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So, General, can you actually count to 41?

Anyway, what's your point exactly? Pinnacle has another 12 or 16 of the -900's as well, our senior guys got a 2.7:1 so the top 100 would be on the -900's there. Congruently, if all -900's would be parked they would just move down to the -200's... so on and so on and so on. Do you work for an airline General Lee? It seems like you are confused about the simplicity of seniority.

Besides, as the years go by and they get closer to that big 65 it's really all academic anyway. They'll be cruising around on their boat at one of the many MSP area lakes (or points beyond). What is your obsession?

If you want to deal in possibilities lets talk about something more realistic. When the Delta pilots sell out scope again, and the larger aircraft come down to a regional level like PCL, what will our top 100-115 do with the very few years remaining before retirement? Stay on the -900 and coast, or go over to an airbus type aircraft and blast around on yet another type given to us by mainline? Let's just hope that never happens. Let's face reality though, if Mainline gives up on scope the airbuses will be going to Mesa and GoJet's because they are cheapest.

Anyway, bye for now General.

OYS

Recent history, as in scope not budging during the joint contract with NWA, is all the proof necessary. The two groups that were forced to do that in the past, really don't want to give up anything else. Get used to it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[e=mc2]

+1 for the General as Moron, ratbag, loon, donkey, dodo, doofus, yo-yo, woodenhead of FI, and for DB of the year.

 

[SplitBar]

I seriously don't care.



Bye Bye---General Lee

If you don't care then why do you have 15,500 + posts containing nothing but self fulfillment garbage and patting yourself on the back?

 

[zawillif]

I really wish this was an image board so I could just post a Don't Feed the Trolls pic and leave it at that.

 

[On Your Six]

I'm not sure if you are counting the 16 of the 900 that's flying out of ATL. Pinnacle owns those 16 of the CRJ-900. The ones that were flying for Delta in 2007 before DAL/NWA merge.

Aviation Daily said DL owned 41 CR9s used by Mesaba. Now they are at PNCL, but those particular planes are probably still owned by DL.


Godspeed!


OYS