Pinnacoloba bankruptcy this week

[General Lee]

Who the FU&$K are you to say what is a mistake for another person, who YOU DONT EVEN FUC&$KING KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND WHY THE FUC$&K DO YOU CARE???????????? You have a sickness and a dang superiority complex! Do you not realize that nobody gives a rats a$$ what you think they should do with their lives? Nobody cares if you make fun of their Green Bay overnight! Nobody cares. You are a broken record that has so little joy in his life that you only derive sick pleasure from poking others. You don't get to decide what makes people other than you happy, or what they should or should not do! Get it????

Somebody needs a chill pill! Look, I can comment on people not taking an opportunity. If they want to come on here (anonymously) and give a good reason why they didn't take it, then great. But, it was an opportunity that MOST would take in a heartbeat (no interview, no medical, no testing, nothing), and with retirements coming up, a GOLDEN opportunity to beat the rush of eventual hiring. It's always best to be in front of the wave (like I was in 96). Many cite reasons like they didn't want to be away from their families, or be in a NYC crashpad, etc. But, that really isn't the case. Right now MSP MD88 FO reserves are not doing much flying, and everyone has to start somewhere, but the upside was enormous. Oh well. I just wondered what they were thinking. It was a great offer at the time, and I just can't understand really why some turned it down.

BTW, if people like GRB in the Winter, then FANTASTIC. Not me.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[urflyingme?!]

jynx. I wanna go to a major one day but your post is spot on man. Way to prove GL is a total dumas...

 

[General Lee]

I kinda see what's going on here. You're a little clueless on the history of the flow. The first set of guys with the option to flow were too old to make the math work (and I never said they were 64, see post #54 if you need to review, you have a problem reading but we've been over that) with the Northwest payscales at the time. Additionally the loss in earning (which was a 5-7 recovery time) they would not be able to continue pouring into their 401k either which makes matters even more frustrating. The wage at NW was unsustainable and not worth the investment in time unless you had 7 or more years left.

You say they are regretting their decision, that may be a possibility. You have to remember though, a lot of these pilots aren't handicapped (like you), and they realize no one had a crystal ball, so it's easy to forgive yourself. In fact I would hope that happens almost immediately. They made the best decision with the information available and making six figures with 15-19 days off isn't a terrible life. Even if we do furlough as a result of the bankruptcy they will still make six figures with 15-19 days off. I really don't know how better to spell this out to you... but I am comforted in knowing you choose not to understand anyway. I regret not playing the powerball 3 14 20 39 40 37, but I have yet to play powerball because I don't have a crystal ball. So my regret is superficial, just like theirs.

I feel you are projecting your regrets onto other pilots, and I'm curious why that is. You have some horrible regret that causes you to hide in the magic porn box in an effort to distract you from your own life. Whatever you've done, it's ok, try to move forward and enjoy your life. Whatever mistakes you've made and pain you've caused yourself will ease with time. So let the adults talk, and you go enjoy that overnight. Also, it helps to read a book, get back in the habit, instead of just seeing whatever you want to see.



I find it bizarre that you answer that question if you've spoken to some of our flows. If you had you would realize the paycut has been tough on more than one of them. I suppose it is possible you have spoken to a few flows and not run into the guys who have had hard times (but still manage to smile), I know I haven't talked to ALL of them, but it's been a mixed bag. Perhaps you give the same sort of attention to people talking as you do to reading, I'm worried that may be the case.

You should talk to some of our guys that went to SWA, who knows they could be making more than you. When you looked into your crystal ball why didn't you decide to goto SWA when you had the chance? Is that the deep well of regret you have that makes you bury yourself into this site so much? Perhaps some of the SWA people here can help you out, it's never too late.

Do I have a regret? Heck no. I really enjoy my job, from day 1, and still can't understand why someone would turn down an offer that included NO INTERVIEW, NO MEDICAL, and NO TESTING, and just get a class? That might have been the BEST offer in aviation. Everyone can see the payrates, go look on APC. The 1st or 2nd year may be lower than most senior Captain RJ spots, but that is normal when starting over. But, that is very myopic. You have to look at the overall picture, including better benefits, better retirement plans (our DC fund is good, 12% of what we make each month into a seperate fund, plus an additional 2% matching on our own 401Ks), and variety in routes and planes. Tired of one plane? Go to another. Tired of NYC layovers? Try Tokyo next. It's just great, and I can't believe some turned it down. Amazing.

Could SWA pilots be making more than me? Probably, but I wouldn't do their flying for that pay. I flew at the commuters (what they were called back then in the early 90s), and I don't want to do 5-6 legs per day. That is their business plan, they have super productive trips. I would rather fly over to Asia, have 24 hours off, and then go to Honolulu, have another 24 off, and then back to LA or SFO, etc. I can fly more domestic if I want, and there are some fleets that do multiple legs per day, but I don't have to do that, whereas those SWA guys DO. No thanks. And, their CEO will be asking for givebacks soon, so even though I wish them the best and want them to hold on to every penny, I don't know if they will be able to.


Thanks again for the debate, and good luck with your airline and future.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

jynx. I wanna go to a major one day but your post is spot on man. Way to prove GL is a total dumas...

What did he prove? I was talking about recent flow up, not NWA flow up. WRONG..... I stated that from the beginning. Way to prove NOTHING.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[On Your Six]

I was hired with some Mesaba flow ups and many are still on the bus in DTW with me. They seem happy to be here.

Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Golden Falcon]

Flow "up" to a bigger plane with a much smaller paycheck??(is that REALLY up?) Yah makes sense when you have 20 years left, but not 5, or 10...unless you live to fly, rather than fly to live...

 

[BOX OFFICE]

When are you guys going to learn to stop feeding the troll? Lee WANTS you to respond, so he can flame you again with his broken record BS. Don't you know he's gunning for 20,000 posts so he can have eternal bragging rights as the biggest dork on the internet?

If you want to win, just ignore him! STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!

 

[jynxyjericho]

When are you guys going to learn to stop feeding the troll? Lee WANTS you to respond, so he can flame you again with his broken record BS. Don't you know he's gunning for 20,000 posts so he can have eternal bragging rights as the biggest dork on the internet?

If you want to win, just ignore him! STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!

Between GL and OYS (same person) he already has 20k.

When this guy offers up a softball for anyone to hit, I don't mind taking the time to do it. If you think ignoring the guy will work, go right ahead, but I think that's a little simplistic. GL/OYS obviously has a huge problem in his real life that forces him onto this board night and day, that drives him to post no matter if people listen to him or not.

 

[General Lee]

Flow "up" to a bigger plane with a much smaller paycheck??(is that REALLY up?) Yah makes sense when you have 20 years left, but not 5, or 10...unless you live to fly, rather than fly to live...

You have to start somewhere, right? Oh, you expect the same pay and probably the same seat......within 3 years you are close to make the same, and at 5 years you pass it. You can also move up or down aircraft types, which can increase your pay depending on whether or not you are a line holder or not. If you are 61 years old, then yeah, maybe it wasn't a good move to flow up. If you were younger, that might have been a mistake. Also, if you are that old, you might be "used to" your schedule, the old guy driving the van in Alpena, and you do know the ATC freqs by heart. Anything new might be difficult. That's understandable.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Between GL and OYS (same person) he already has 20k.

When this guy offers up a softball for anyone to hit, I don't mind taking the time to do it. If you think ignoring the guy will work, go right ahead, but I think that's a little simplistic. GL/OYS obviously has a huge problem in his real life that forces him onto this board night and day, that drives him to post no matter if people listen to him or not.

The only softball you have hit so far is your admittance that unless you were 61 years old, you made a mistake by not flowing up. Looking at today's financials for your company and the legacy, it looks like hindsight is 20/20. Wow, some people were myopic indeed, unless they were 61 at the time.....

And again, you can look back at OYS posts from years ago, he was a furloughed pilot from another legacy, and never used to post at all about any of our topics. Go take a looky...... he just recently became interested, since he became employed somewhere maybe??? Thanks Remington Steele and your cohort Angela Lansbury over there..... great sleuths...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

Talking out of both sides of your mouth= a lot of posts.

 

[jynxyjericho]

The only softball you have hit so far is your admittance that unless you were 61 years old, you made a mistake by not flowing up. Looking at today's financials for your company and the legacy, it looks like hindsight is 20/20. Wow, some people were myopic indeed, unless they were 61 at the time.....

Bye Bye---General Clown

I know it's been a while since elementary school but 65-7 = 58 or 61-10= 55... 65-4 would equal 61... so where are you getting the four from? Review post #78 maybe where I made multiple references to the 7-10 year timeline... I pretty sure I talked about a 5 year timeline too somewhere back there. The problem remains that I can't see where you are getting 4 years from.

Can't read or do math can you? Take off your shoes if it helps.

You are a very strange and handicapped person.

 

[SplitBar]

This from a 50 year old Saab FO. Do you have a love interest way up in International Falls? What's his name?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Wrong ASSumption again General. I wear the same wings that you do...well at least the same ones you claim to wear. I got no beef with you sir but you really need to get a life and stop being such a pompus a$$. You really are a patethic individual who is trying to compensate for something here. Enjoy your lonely life on FI.

 

[SplitBar]

I am not talking about the others, I am talking about the flow up to Delta, not NWA that was beforehand, the last one. Other airlines probably had bad ones, and I am not familiar with those, but I am with the one that was offered recently (a year or so ago?). That was a perfect opportunity for guys to bail from Mesaba, especially with the known fact that there is a huge amount of retirements coming up here. The flow up included NO INTERVIEW, NO MEDICAL, NO PSYCH EVAL, nothing but a class date. A VERY VERY GOOD DEAL, and some of you guys at Mesaba turned it down! And then it wasn't passed on to anyone else, you couldn't just pass it along until someone took it. Some may have been worried about being furloughed possibly down the road, but there is still a flown down (if necessary) to Compass, which would have been available, to their Captain seats. (Still can't figure out why the Mesaba flow down slots were taken, that is a bit ridiculous, since some people DID take the flow up.....) Now Delta is making money, and retirements are coming up, and there was no interview/medical/tests etc. MSP and DTW were junior bases (some got NYC, but within a bid they could go back to MSP/DTW most likely) All I can say is WOW. Unbelievable



Bye Bye---General Lee

General, again you don't know the facts so here ya go. Only 27 pilots have flowed to Delta post merger. The most junior pilot with the chance to flow Delta wasn't even in the top 100 because most of those pilots bypassed the NWA flow and it's a one shot deal. Once you pass up the flow you can't rebid it. Pilot #127 was the most junior pilot eligable for flow to DAL and they only had to go down the list 30 #'s to get the 27 so only a few passed it up. 2 of them have a lot of family $$$ / Sugar Mommas and I'm not sure about the other one. As far as the next 50 in line only a few will pass it up as they more junior and much much younger than the top 100. Everyone in the top 100 who passed it up is making $100K-$125K, 18 days off, 4 weeks vacation, 125% 401K match, no commute. Deal with it GL, they are more than content where they are at.

 

[DoinTime]

Everyone in the top 100 who passed it up is making $100K-$125K, 18 days off, 4 weeks vacation, 125% 401K match, no commute. Deal with it GL, they are more than content where they are at.

Time will tell if that was a good decision. PNCL has a far greater chance of being shuttered in the next 5+ years than NWA/DAL does.

 

[SplitBar]

Time will tell if that was a good decision. PNCL has a far greater chance of being shuttered in the next 5+ years than NWA/DAL does.

Even if DAL parks all the 200's PNCL will still have 50ish 900's and I don't see those planes going anywhere for a long time and that is more than enough to keep the top 100 pilots content. I'm not saying there isn't a rough road ahead for you guys but the discussion here is about the top 100 pilots and I don't see much downside for those guys/gals.

 

[xjhawk]

yup, I have seem a lot of concern about the top 100 mesaba guys. I am glad they get their cake and eat it too.

 

[jynxyjericho]

yup, I have seem a lot of concern about the top 100 mesaba guys. I am glad they get their cake and eat it too.

Lol, I know right?

 

[xjhawk]

"n" for all of you spelling and grammar Nazi's out there

 

[On Your Six]

I just read DL owns all 41 of Mesaba's CR9s, and it is unlikely they will come down on their lease payment reduction requests from PNCL (as read in yesterday's Aviation Daily web page article from Aviation Week). What would prevent DL from just transferring those CR9s to Gojets if they got fed up enough with PNCL? Couldn't they do that just like the CR7s from ASA and Skywest? What would those senior Mesaba guys do then if that were ever to happen? I hope it doesn't, but there's no telling if it ever would. Never get too comfortable, I learned that too.


Godspeed!


OYS