Pinnacoloba bankruptcy this week

[e=mc2]

Yep I'm sure all the Pinn boys will jump on the ALPO Give Away Train. They have for sure forgot that TW boned them in the SLI, so enjoy the ride down the drain.

 

[i fly boxes]

I just hope this happens fast whatever it is

 

[xjhawk]

I wanna know what the Mesaba flow ups to Delta WHO TURNED IT DOWN think now? Delta made $952 million in bag fees alone last year.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You would be surprised at how many of the senior Mesaba pilots still think this place will be a good place to be the rest of their career. I mention to them about ASA's being rebid or terminated for the lower bidder and they say they are senior enough that they will still be able to hold MSP or DTW (where they live). I tend to think good for them, as they will not be competing with me to jump ship (Mesaba was a back up plan for me for my career-if I had to stay I would be happy as a captain in MSP where I live-but now that I was screwed by the ALPO merger policy-I will leave)

if you did not get the dig-ALPA's merger policy is about as good as the worst dog food out there-way to protect your members ALPA

 

[bri5150]

(Mesaba was a back up plan for me for my career-if I had to stay I would be happy as a captain in MSP where I live-but now that I was screwed by the ALPO merger policy-I will leave)

I agree. I used to think this was a great backup plan. I am not so much concerned about the integration messing that up as I am the big elephant in the room with the 200 ASA. Also the fact that all regionals are subject to complete failure. What would those senior guys say if you brought up Comair?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

$1.51....

52wk High/Date
8.68 / 1/3/2011

52wk Low/Date
1.40 / 12/8/2011

 

[General Lee]

You would be surprised at how many of the senior Mesaba pilots still think this place will be a good place to be the rest of their career. I mention to them about ASA's being rebid or terminated for the lower bidder and they say they are senior enough that they will still be able to hold MSP or DTW (where they live). I tend to think good for them, as they will not be competing with me to jump ship (Mesaba was a back up plan for me for my career-if I had to stay I would be happy as a captain in MSP where I live-but now that I was screwed by the ALPO merger policy-I will leave)

if you did not get the dig-ALPA's merger policy is about as good as the worst dog food out there-way to protect your members ALPA

Gimmee a break! One of the most junior planes at Delta is the MD88 FO in MSP...then goes DTW 320. The problem is most of those senior guys can't take a 1-2 year paycut, and that is short sighted. Those guys that didn't accept the flow up, are now probably thinking "wow, that wasn't smart."

As far as the ALPA merger policy goes, you just can't compare RJ companies to Legacies. No DOH policy will do. I still remember ASA guys jumping up and down when Delta bought ASA, thinking they would just blend in, DOH. One of their Captains was on our jumpseat, and he stated he had enough seniority to be a DL MD11 FO. We all laughed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jynxyjericho]

Gimmee a break! One of the most junior planes at Delta is the MD88 FO in MSP...then goes DTW 320. The problem is most of those senior guys can't take a 1-2 year paycut, and that is short sighted. Those guys that didn't accept the flow up, are now probably thinking "wow, that wasn't smart."

As far as the ALPA merger policy goes, you just can't compare RJ companies to Legacies. No DOH policy will do. I still remember ASA guys jumping up and down when Delta bought ASA, thinking they would just blend in, DOH. One of their Captains was on our jumpseat, and he stated he had enough seniority to be a DL MD11 FO. We all laughed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Let's be clear, The first ~115 or so that turned it down was when the flow was still to NWA. That was a 7 year cut for guys who were 55 and above, so you do the math.

Also, lets be realistic, Delta isn't a career goal for some of those pilots who said no. Other guys don't care about the extra money at Delta, they make six figures without trying and get 18 days off.

Some of the problem is Delta's pay isn't enough for our older pilots to make the jump, and even after a bankruptcy most of these guys who have said no will still be able to hold 15 days off and +100K a year.

Besides, I heard a rumor the Avro is coming back.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

Gimmee a break! One of the most junior planes at Delta is the MD88 FO in MSP...then goes DTW 320. The problem is most of those senior guys can't take a 1-2 year paycut, and that is short sighted. Those guys that didn't accept the flow up, are now probably thinking "wow, that wasn't smart."


Bye Bye---General Lee

You're a moron if think you it's about pay. The last AE put newbies as RES JFK88 FO. Hot bunk crashpad reserve to staff 3 bases in NYC=suck.

 

[On Your Six]

You're a moron if think you it's about pay. The last AE put newbies as RES JFK88 FO. Hot bunk crashpad reserve to staff 3 bases in NYC=suck.

Hi, I got hired in the last round with a lot of flow ups and I still hold DTW 320 FO, and I am now on 2nd year pay. The real reason a lot of those senior guys stayed at Mesaba was they didn't want to be an FO again, and they hope bigger planes will come down to them. Sorry, instead they get another pay cut. Not coming here was a mistake of a lifetime.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[altimaklr]

A good chunk of the upper seniority list of regional airlines are lifetime losers. They think making $95k living in MSP or MEM is great, and they enjoy being the big fish in the small, polluted, little pond. Delta isn't missing much with these guys.

 

[RJLoser]

Saw on another site a DL 5th year 7ER guy brings home 66K. I can see why guys stayed.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I still remember ASA guys jumping up and down when Delta bought ASA, thinking they would just blend in, DOH. One of their Captains was on our jumpseat, and he stated he had enough seniority to be a DL MD11 FO. We all laughed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

We've heard you say that about 10 times. We get it. You're a ******************************.

 

[suupah]

A good chunk of the upper seniority list of regional airlines are lifetime losers. They think making $95k living in MSP or MEM is great, and they enjoy being the big fish in the small, polluted, little pond. Delta isn't missing much with these guys.

some guys really can't afford the jump being that they are in the middle of family events etc etc. Some aren't losers just not in a position to not only take a huge pay cut but sit reserve 1000 miles away for the foreseeable future missing life events etc etc. there's more to life then money and flying big metal around

 

[Flyer1015]

Yep I'm sure all the Pinn boys will jump on the ALPO Give Away Train. They have for sure forgot that TW boned them in the SLI, so enjoy the ride down the drain.

How did TW bone them in the SLI? 9E anger should really be directed inward at their own committee.

 

[Flyer1015]

Hi, I got hired in the last round with a lot of flow ups and I still hold DTW 320 FO, and I am now on 2nd year pay. The real reason a lot of those senior guys stayed at Mesaba was they didn't want to be an FO again, and they hope bigger planes will come down to them. Sorry, instead they get another pay cut. Not coming here was a mistake of a lifetime.


Godspeed!


OYS

General Lee, please stop.

 

[Flyer1015]

Probable: goodbye 10-15% of 200 flying PER YEAR as allowed under the ASA.

Anyone have a copy of the ASA? I was under the impression that all 126 CRJ-200s were covered through 2017. Does losing 10-15% of 200 flying equate to parking 10-15% of the fleet, or a 10-15% reduction in flying block hours? In the latter, at least you could keep the entire pilot group on property with inefficient trips due to less block hours.

 

[Spinn555]

Let's see what Tom is eager to give back THIS time...

Pinnacle Airlines Corp. to Take Steps to Improve Liquidity and Profitability


MEMPHIS, Tenn., Dec. 8, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Pinnacle Airlines Corp.

(NASDAQ: PNCL) announced today that it has commenced a comprehensive program to reduce short- and long-term costs and enhance liquidity.
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Planned initiatives include seeking................. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ve-liquidity-and-profitability-135241693.html

I smell a rat, and it stinks like a boll weevil (that's Delta, for all of you not up on your airline history).

In addition to all the other benefits of a BK for Pinnacle, Delta is excited because they will be able to get out of a lot of the markets they are forced into right now with EAS.

The Evil Triangle strikes again.

 

[SplitBar]

The majority of the top 100 XJ guys turned it down. I think only 6-8 in the top 100 flowed. Why? Because most are well into their 50's and they are making $110K-120K per year living in base getting 4 weeks of vacation and 18 days off per month and they are getting 125% 401K match. When they turned the flow down it was to NWA for $30 an hour and the pay raises there after weren't that great. If the flow could be rebid amongst the top 100 originnal XJ pilots who turned it down I doubt more than a dozen would change their mind today. It has nothing to do with not wanting to be an FO again. It's all about money and how many years you have left in your career and most of those who turned down the flow are doing very well right now and not regretting it.

 

[xjhawk]

General General. Please please think before you type. Oh and to the guy who bashed every senior regional pilot out there.....you are clueless. I am sure there is every type of person in that group from horrible to awesome. Blanket statements like that only make you look like an idiot. Back to you General. I know more than a few of these senior pilots who turned down the flow. Many know they lost a great opportunity but had reasons why they did not take it at the time. Take a look at NWA's first 6-7 year pay rates. They did the math, looked at their time left at the airlines and decided with QOL and not losing money by making the jump. They did not know the NWA pilots would be given such a pay bump to make the Delta acquisition. I personally tend to believe the rule is to always leave a regional for a major-especially now days. now its up to you general-you and your buddies to NOT GIVE AN INCH ON SCOPE

 

[livin'thesim]

Had I been a senior xj pilot over 55, I would have stayed. Ride it out a few years and call it a career.

Training, commuting, loss of control over schedule, loss of vacation - why effing bother?

 

[General Lee]

The majority of the top 100 XJ guys turned it down. I think only 6-8 in the top 100 flowed. Why? Because most are well into their 50's and they are making $110K-120K per year living in base getting 4 weeks of vacation and 18 days off per month and they are getting 125% 401K match. When they turned the flow down it was to NWA for $30 an hour and the pay raises there after weren't that great. If the flow could be rebid amongst the top 100 originnal XJ pilots who turned it down I doubt more than a dozen would change their mind today. It has nothing to do with not wanting to be an FO again. It's all about money and how many years you have left in your career and most of those who turned down the flow are doing very well right now and not regretting it.

Let's hope that continues.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General General. Please please think before you type. Oh and to the guy who bashed every senior regional pilot out there.....you are clueless. I am sure there is every type of person in that group from horrible to awesome. Blanket statements like that only make you look like an idiot. Back to you General. I know more than a few of these senior pilots who turned down the flow. Many know they lost a great opportunity but had reasons why they did not take it at the time. Take a look at NWA's first 6-7 year pay rates. They did the math, looked at their time left at the airlines and decided with QOL and not losing money by making the jump. They did not know the NWA pilots would be given such a pay bump to make the Delta acquisition. I personally tend to believe the rule is to always leave a regional for a major-especially now days. now its up to you general-you and your buddies to NOT GIVE AN INCH ON SCOPE

Not every senior pilot at Mesaba is 55 and ready to throw in the hat. I know a few, and they were in their early 40s. One took it, two did not. I just shook my head in disbelief. With the amount of retirements that are scheduled in about 2 years that will go on for 15 more, there was plenty of room to move up quickly, probably be a mainline Captain within 10 years, and see the World while being at an airline that on the worst day is better than your best day at a Regional. Look at you. You are trying hard to get away from Mesaba, to any airline out there. There must be reasons.

And SCOPE IS SOLID. Look at Jetflier above, a guy in the top 200. He said it himself, nobody he knows at that seniority would give it up. That should say something to you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[xjhawk]

yup, I agree. If I could have left years ago I would have. I think it will just get worse too. Terrible leadership and contracts being what they are-paper easily rewritten and given to someone else-yes I am trying to leave. Better the first .......rat (?) to jump ship than stuck in the sinking ship!

 

[jynxyjericho]

Hi, I got hired in the last round with a lot of flow ups and I still hold DTW 320 FO, and I am now on 2nd year pay. The real reason a lot of those senior guys stayed at Mesaba was they didn't want to be an FO again, and they hope bigger planes will come down to them. Sorry, instead they get another pay cut. Not coming here was a mistake of a lifetime.


Godspeed!


OYS

General Lee, this is classless and a purposeful ignorance and painful to read. There isn't a paycut big enough for this year or the years following that would bring their sum below earnings at Delta. There just isn't enough years, there isn't enough time to make up the loss of earnings or QOL. Once the flow extended lower through the SL, as it did on that last 100, you will see more yes's, but not that high up.

Your stupidity echo's through this place daily, however, you can at least pick a topic you are educated on.

Forget the earnings and QOL issues, you also have to remember that they will be retired or nearly retired by the time you give up scope and the airbuses come to the regionals. So that couldn't have factored into their decision making process either.

Bye bye
General Clown.

 

[General Lee]

General Lee, this is classless and a purposeful ignorance and painful to read. There isn't a paycut big enough for this year or the years following that would bring their sum below earnings at Delta. There just isn't enough years, there isn't enough time to make up the loss of earnings or QOL. Once the flow extended lower through the SL, as it did on that last 100, you will see more yes's, but not that high up.

Your stupidity echo's through this place daily, however, you can at least pick a topic you are educated on.

Forget the earnings and QOL issues, you also have to remember that they will be retired or nearly retired by the time you give up scope and the airbuses come to the regionals. So that couldn't have factored into their decision making process either.

Bye bye
General Clown.

I am not answering for OYS, but you are a complete Clown yourself, and stuck at the regionals. So, all Mesaba Captains are old men you say? Whatever! There were guys in my class in 96 that were in their mid 40s, and they love it here. But, as I can tell so far, you probably wouldn't pass an interview, so nevermind...... And if you really want to fly Airbuses, please don't expect them at PNCL. Try Spirit, they're hiring, maybe? See ya!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

yup, I agree. If I could have left years ago I would have. I think it will just get worse too. Terrible leadership and contracts being what they are-paper easily rewritten and given to someone else-yes I am trying to leave. Better the first .......rat (?) to jump ship than stuck in the sinking ship!

There you go, CORRECT. Good luck to you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[silver02ex]

G.L. I don't think you and I or anyone else will know why some of the guys at Mesaba passed up the flow. Money doesn't always mean everything. Sometimes you just can't put up a price on certain things in life. There's a reason why they're 100+ CA below me at PNCL. If I were to upgrade, I would not have been there for the birth of my daughter, to see her first steps, her first words. Things like that, there's not enough money for me to trade for it. Money comes and goes but things like what I just mention you only get once.

 

[i fly boxes]

G.L. I don't think you and I or anyone else will know why some of the guys at Mesaba passed up the flow. Money doesn't always mean everything. Sometimes you just can't put up a price on certain things in life. There's a reason why they're 100+ CA below me at PNCL. If I were to upgrade, I would not have been there for the birth of my daughter, to see her first steps, her first words. Things like that, there's not enough money for me to trade for it. Money comes and goes but things like what I just mention you only get once.

Well said, some people on here probably missed their children's first steps because they were too busy posting on flightinfo 24/7

 

[xjhawk]

Some people also have sugar mamas and daddies. That is not the case for me, hence the first possible upgrade when I was still on reserve as an FO adding years more of reserve to my life........no sugar mama at my house.

 

[SplitBar]

Well said, some people on here probably missed their children's first steps because they were too busy posting on flightinfo 24/7

I seriously doubt he is married. I have doubts he has ever even been with a woman. His entire life is based on being an idiot on FI. What a sad and pathetic existance he lives.