Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan SLI!

[Flyer1015]

However, there is still fear and anticipation that this could go the wrong way.
I, however am slightly optimistic that the right decision will be made.

How do define "wrong way"?????? And how do you define a "right decision" regarding this matter at hand?

 

[SEVEN]

How do define "wrong way"?????? And how do you define a "right decision" regarding this matter at hand?

Wrong way....Pinnacle Pete's way. Right way....some form of a fair relative seniority for all pilot groups involved.

 

[RJLoser]

Wrong way....Pinnacle Pete's way. Right way....some form of a fair relative seniority for all pilot groups involved.

Seven, you can just go ahead and know that everything PCL P's way is the wrong way. Safe bet.

 

[Smarta$$]

Seven, you can just go ahead and know that everything PCL P's way is the wrong way. Safe bet.

No doubt, that guy is a ridiculous clown.

 

[SEVEN]

No doubt, that guy is a ridiculous clown.

What's fair to you?

 

[SEVEN]

Seven, you can just go ahead and know that everything PCL P's way is the wrong way. Safe bet.

What's fair to you?

 

[RJLoser]

I have always heard (which sounds right) the only fair outcome is that everyone feels equally shafted. We all had expectations and thoughts about where we would be in our own companies. This merger changed everything. I could become very senior or be back on reserve with the SLI. I have no idea. The nice thing is that we have and we will see more attrition. This would have been a lot tougher 2-3 years ago.

 

[Inconceivable]

Here is some background on Pinnacle Pete:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/co-court-of-appeals/1419143.html

And for sheer amusement:

Legal Battle Over Fraternal Twins with Two Different Fathers

"The Twins with Two Fathers’ by Lori K. Baker, Ladies Home Journal Feb., 1996. Lauren and Megan Taylor, fraternal twins with different fathers, face separation. Lauren’s father, Peter Tonnessen, is seeking to gain custody of her. The girls mother, Brenda, claims Peter raped her the night after she had sex with her fiancé, dean."

Yeah, I can see that happening. A thoroughly disgusting human being, wrapped in the sanctimony of his own twisted religious views.

 

[SEVEN]

Here is some background on Pinnacle Pete:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/co-court-of-appeals/1419143.html

And for sheer amusement:

Legal Battle Over Fraternal Twins with Two Different Fathers

"The Twins with Two Fathers’ by Lori K. Baker, Ladies Home Journal Feb., 1996. Lauren and Megan Taylor, fraternal twins with different fathers, face separation. Lauren’s father, Peter Tonnessen, is seeking to gain custody of her. The girls mother, Brenda, claims Peter raped her the night after she had sex with her fiancé, dean."

Yeah, I can see that happening. A thoroughly disgusting human being, wrapped in the sanctimony of his own twisted religious views.

I have a feeling the mods won't like this too much....I guess it's public info.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Here is some background on Pinnacle Pete:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/co-court-of-appeals/1419143.html

And for sheer amusement:

Legal Battle Over Fraternal Twins with Two Different Fathers

"The Twins with Two Fathers’ by Lori K. Baker, Ladies Home Journal Feb., 1996. Lauren and Megan Taylor, fraternal twins with different fathers, face separation. Lauren’s father, Peter Tonnessen, is seeking to gain custody of her. The girls mother, Brenda, claims Peter raped her the night after she had sex with her fiancé, dean."

Yeah, I can see that happening. A thoroughly disgusting human being, wrapped in the sanctimony of his own twisted religious views.

Geeeeeezz, Pete may be a little different, but if you were to meet him face to face or fly with him you would see that he is a pretty good guy!! I for one wouldn't be posting such information about a fellow pilot on a message board that is filled with witch hunters...Give the guy a break, he just turned 60 and will not be in the industry much longer anyway!!

I find your post very offensive!!!

 

[Flyer1015]

Wrong way....Pinnacle Pete's way. Right way....some form of a fair relative seniority for all pilot groups involved.

Pinnacle Pete isn't too far off the truth. The problem with your 'fair relative' way is that it doesn't acknowledge a *certain* carrier's shrinking future. Colgan brings a junior group, but a fast growing one. Pinnacle brings a group comparable to Mesaba (except on the senior side (before 2000)), and in addition, brings a constant jet fleet (no growth or loss). The remainder (Mesaba) brings a relatively senior group with a shrinking fleet type. Any relative integration will have 9E/9L take a burden for the loses of those Saabs.

In conclusion, there just isn't a 'fair' way of integrating this. I'd imagine some kind of hybrid list. I don't see a single method applied uniformly. Regardless, hopefully there will still be protections (time) before people start jumping across certificates.

 

[Inconceivable]

Posting the decision of an appeals court in a case wherein he sued, lost, appealed, and lost is offensive? If you want offensive you should google his name and see what else pops up.

It would be hard for even Principled Pete to argue that anonymity applies here. He may drive airplanes for a living, but he lost the "fellow pilot" status years ago.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Pinnacle Pete isn't too far off the truth. The problem with your 'fair relative' way is that it doesn't acknowledge a *certain* carrier's shrinking future. Colgan brings a junior group, but a fast growing one. Pinnacle brings a group comparable to Mesaba (except on the senior side (before 2000)), and in addition, brings a constant jet fleet (no growth or loss). The remainder (Mesaba) brings a relatively senior group with a shrinking fleet type. Any relative integration will have 9E/9L take a burden for the loses of those Saabs.

In conclusion, there just isn't a 'fair' way of integrating this. I'd imagine some kind of hybrid list. I don't see a single method applied uniformly. Regardless, hopefully there will still be protections (time) before people start jumping across certificates.

Our grandfathered flowthroughs negate the losses of what Saabs we still have. And it's not like we are wildly overstaffed right now anyway. We are running our own new hire class.

 

[DoinTime]

Our grandfathered flowthroughs negate the losses of what Saabs we still have. And it's not like we are wildly overstaffed right now anyway. We are running our own new hire class.

By my math you will be losing 20 saabs (approx. 200 pilots and assuming the Airways flying lasts beyond its one year contract) but only have about 70-80 still to flow. That equates to an aggregate job loss in my book.

Also looking at the numbers in the latest 10-Q statement, Mesaba operates 29% of the total PNCL block hours but accounts for almost 35% of the total pilots. You must not be too short staffed.

 

[bri5150]

Pinnacle Pete isn't too far off the truth. The problem with your 'fair relative' way is that it doesn't acknowledge a *certain* carrier's shrinking future.

Oh, you must be talking about Pinnacle's 200 fleet. Don't worry, we don't want to screw you. We all want a fair integration. In all honesty, we are all screwed together. I don't see any way this company can come up with flying for 2,500+ pilots over the next five years.