Pinnacle MEC Chairman Recall

[DoinTime]

The full time buyout was instituted way after Wake left the scene.

The whole case was kept so quiet that no line guys really knew about it, but they should have...

This was hashed out on our internal message board awhile ago. Our MEC has been doing full time buys since mid 2004. Most MECs our size seem to always have someone on full time buy anyway. WG and JB used to pull down big paychecks (200+ hours sometimes) on the backs of the dues payers several years ago. At least the policy that our MEC put in place a couple years ago brought that gamesmanship to an end. The policy now tops out credit at about the same as what our Chief Pilots make. That seems reasonable to me.

 

[Raoul Duke]

They should get the amount that they could otherwise bid, not a dime more. If they want more they can pick up open time and fly. Or better yet, they should volunteer to relieve some of the junior guys working on weekends. It is called leading by example. Unfortunately it is not a quality demonstrated by many MEC leaders - too easy to claim how hard you work on behalf of the pilots while you enjoy 8 - 5 (uaually 8 - about 3) and all weekends off.

 

[higney85]

They should get the amount that they could otherwise bid, not a dime more. If they want more they can pick up open time and fly. Or better yet, they should volunteer to relieve some of the junior guys working on weekends. It is called leading by example. Unfortunately it is not a quality demonstrated by many MEC leaders - too easy to claim how hard you work on behalf of the pilots while you enjoy 8 - 5 (uaually 8 - about 3) and all weekends off.

I don't think you are aware of the time commitment involved in the chair position. It's far from a M-F 8-5 type job. That's a big reason why few actually WANT to do it.

 

[DGdaPilot]

I've yet to meet an MEC officer who "only" works M-F, 9-5. That may be the time spent in the office, but is typically a Mon-Sun job.

 

[redflyer65]

This was hashed out on our internal message board awhile ago. Our MEC has been doing full time buys since mid 2004. Most MECs our size seem to always have someone on full time buy anyway. WG and JB used to pull down big paychecks (200+ hours sometimes) on the backs of the dues payers several years ago. At least the policy that our MEC put in place a couple years ago brought that gamesmanship to an end. The policy now tops out credit at about the same as what our Chief Pilots make. That seems reasonable to me.

We are talking about two different things. I'm talking about paying a terminated pilot for two years out of your dues. Then with the case went to court, the pilot folded because it was a bad case from his stand point, at least that's what I understood. If I'm wrong, someone set me straight.

The MEC buyout was hashed out awhile back. Apples and oranges.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Do other airlines do the same thing? That seems unbelievable, if you are terminated by the Company, there is no way you should get paid in dues money. Not unless every terminated pilot gets the same treatment. Talk about conflict of interest.

 

[DoinTime]

If I'm wrong, someone set me straight.

Don't believe everything you hear. You've gotten a version of the story thats been rewritten to suit the separatists agenda of building mistrust against the current MEC. Its funny and tragic to watch so many people (primarily in our southern domiciles) get sucked into the management sympathizer movement around here. Management is the source of our issues, not our MEC. I guess Stockholm Syndrome is powerful stuff.

 

[PCL_128]

As someone who personally asked members of the Executive Council to approve flight pay loss for that terminated pilot, I can tell you that you don't know what you're talking about, redflyer. Pilots who are terminated in connection with their union work are virtually always compensated by ALPA while they fight their termination, as they should be. No one should suffer a complete loss of income as a result of trying to work for their fellow pilots.

And by the way, WG was on full-time buy for the entire time I worked at PCL. That is typical for any pilot group with over 500 pilots. You can't have a part-time MEC Chairman at that level. In fact, once you get to 1000+ pilots, you probably need an additional guy on full-time status unless you work at a company that treats its employees very well and doesn't cause a bunch of grievances and headaches. If you want the job and you think it's so cushy, then feel free to run for it. Otherwise, stop yer bitchin'!

 

[Lufthansa]

As someone who personally asked members of the Executive Council to approve flight pay loss for that terminated pilot, I can tell you that you don't know what you're talking about, redflyer. Pilots who are terminated in connection with their union work

And as someone who watched this farce unfold, you and that MEC were duped. In your zealousness to stick it to the man and use the pilot groups union dues to support a felon, and probably a friend of yours, you cost PCL pilots dearly. The person in question was not doing 'union work' when he was terminated; he had reccently accepted a position within management, and therein caused his demise by falsifying records. It was your irrational need to support whatever position that the company opposed that lead you to support a person that was clearly lying. Perhaps its you that should get more facts before getting behind a motion. Did you ever see the records in person?

As your posts on this message board attest, your more interested in causing harm to management for the sake of being a pest than getting both sides of the story and drawing a logical conclusion. So who's bitchin now?

 

[PCL_128]

The pilot in question frequently reads this forum, so I'll let him correct your gross inaccuracies if he wants to discuss the facts of the case. I'll just say that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[redflyer65]

Pilots who are terminated in connection with their union work are virtually always compensated by ALPA while they fight their termination, as they should be.

What union job was he doing exactly when he was terminated?

I have no beef with the pilot in question, but the way the union handled it was horrible..then swept it under the rug like it never happened.


I have never said one thing about the Chairman pay structure, maybe that was for someone else.

 

[PCL_128]

He held a high profile union position immediately prior to his termination. And it should be "swept under the rug," because discipline cases are private and not anyone else's business. You don't have a need to know about someone else's termination case.

 

[WildBlue]

High profile? He was a journeyman member of the Grievance Committee.
Nobody needed to know about his disciplinary case, but we should have been told that he was getting paid by the union because the MEC believed that he was terminated for because of his position within the union. That was swept under the rug. So let me get it straight..he was hired for the position of chief pilot, he filled the job for 30 days and he was terminated because he was so high profile in the union. Sorry...that does not add up.
Then, when the MEC finally figured out that they were being taken for a ride 18 months later, the resolutions to terminate his feather bed got swept under the rug.
Is this how you guys run your shop at Tranny?

 

[e=mc2]

In a word "Yes"

Easy for them to throw other peoples money around.

 

[dondk]

And as someone who watched this farce unfold, you and that MEC were duped. In your zealousness to stick it to the man and use the pilot groups union dues to support a felon, and probably a friend of yours, you cost PCL pilots dearly. The person in question was not doing 'union work' when he was terminated; he had reccently accepted a position within management, and therein caused his demise by falsifying records. It was your irrational need to support whatever position that the company opposed that lead you to support a person that was clearly lying. Perhaps its you that should get more facts before getting behind a motion. Did you ever see the records in person?

As your posts on this message board attest, your more interested in causing harm to management for the sake of being a pest than getting both sides of the story and drawing a logical conclusion. So who's bitchin now?

Believe what you want, believe who you want to. Reading some of the comments, some have already made that decision. That is why the PNCL pilot group will never be united, too many people working against the greater good.