Pinnacle is not Comair V2

[1.3XVso]

This is just too dang funny. What do people at 9E drink?? This has got to be more than just purple kool-aid!!

Then again, I haven't fed a troll in a long time...

Consider your quarterly feeding completed.

Lmfao....

 

[mesaba13]

What part is not in writing? Their are very specific written terms in the bridge agreement that specifically state how it will be enforced such as: f. Measurement of compliance with Hiring commitment and h. Exhaustion of hiring commitment.

First Officers are not eligible for the program until they upgrade to captain and serve a one year lock. The agreement states that the program will run until the most junior pilot on the seniority list is offered an opportunity to participate in the streamlined selection process. They also can wait another year after a failed attempt to take another crack at it.

The point is that it will take years before every pilot on the list upgrades, fulfills the seat lock, and thus has the opportunity to participate in the process. The end result is that every December 31 that goes by means seats in Delta classes numbering from 144-240 annually.

 

[Flyer1015]

What part is not in writing? Their are very specific written terms in the bridge agreement that specifically state how it will be enforced such as: f. Measurement of compliance with Hiring commitment and h. Exhaustion of hiring commitment.

First Officers are not eligible for the program until they upgrade to captain and serve a one year lock. The agreement states that the program will run until the most junior pilot on the seniority list is offered an opportunity to participate in the streamlined selection process. They also can wait another year after a failed attempt to take another crack at it.

The point is that it will take years before every pilot on the list upgrades, fulfills the seat lock, and thus has the opportunity to participate in the process. The end result is that every December 31 that goes by means seats in Delta classes numbering from 144-240 annually.

Where is this KoolAid served? You really think this agreement is going to last? It would 20 years to get everyone on the list through to Delta. No way does this last that long. Honestly, don't even see 9E being around another 5.

 

[1.3XVso]

Where is this KoolAid served? You really think this agreement is going to last? It would 20 years to get everyone on the list through to Delta. No way does this last that long. Honestly, don't even see 9E being around another 5.

copy and save all of these koolaide posts and post it back up a year from now.

 

[mesaba13]

No kool aid here and don't need it to last 20 more years, just long enough to get on with Delta or another carrier. As far as all these senior folks that could have left years ago but chose not too: There will be some that try to leave but there are many that think another 7-8 years gets them close enough to retire. These same guys watched former XJ(9E) pilots get furloughed from carriers like United for 10 years and its on their mind. 80 in the top 240 have the Mesaba flow and I would guess another 100 or so in the top 240 will stay lifers so there really are not that many in the top that will choose the SSP. (around 60 with 160 being the maximum in the top 240)

As far as how you answer the question about why Delta and why now? Probably somewhat difficult for the 60 that had enough PIC too move on years ago. Pretty easy for anyone junior to a 300 seniority number as 911, BK, lack of hiring, and lack of flight time kept many of us from being considered by Delta until now. Many in the 300's have had their application in at Delta for years.

 

[1.3XVso]

where in the world is super capt SEVEN dust?

 

[mesaba13]

Oh I forgot you have that crystal ball. What a relief because if you are sure we are not going to be around in 1 year either way than I am glad I voted yes and helped pass the TA. Now I can collect my $12000.00 and we can all get some furlough benefits and health insurance. Or should I vote no and be shut down in a year and get nothing?

As far as flyer's predictions: Remember when you told me that Mesaba really didn't contribute much to the merger by bringing only 41 900's and the 9E 200's would never go away? Well its looking like XJ brought everything to the merger.

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh I forgot you have that crystal ball. What a relief because if you are sure we are not going to be around in 1 year either way than I am glad I voted yes and helped pass the TA. Now I can collect my $12000.00 and we can all get some furlough benefits and health insurance. Or should I vote no and be shut down in a year and get nothing?

As far as flyer's predictions: Remember when you told me that Mesaba really didn't contribute much to the merger by bringing only 41 900's and the 9E 200's would never go away? Well its looking like XJ brought everything to the merger.

I never said the 200s would never go away. Stop making up things about me. Everything I said about 9E Corp came to be true and that's why I left. XJ brought 41 -900s, but more importantly they brought Saab pilots who had no planes to go if it was not for original 9E's planes. You're welcome.

 

[1.3XVso]

I never said the 200s would never go away. Stop making up things about me. Everything I said about 9E Corp came to be true and that's why I left. XJ brought 41 -900s, but more importantly they brought Saab pilots who had no planes to go if it was not for original 9E's planes. You're welcome.

who is mark smith?

 

[mesaba13]

I never said the 200s would never go away. Stop making up things about me. Everything I said about 9E Corp came to be true and that's why I left. XJ brought 41 -900s, but more importantly they brought Saab pilots who had no planes to go if it was not for original 9E's planes. You're welcome.

Making things up? And everything you say about 9E Corp came true? Here are some of your greatest hits from FI:


"CptMurf has good points. I honestly think it'll end up being straight-up DOH, with protection for current seat/base." Flyer1015

"Your future is nothing like what ours was. Our ASAs were through 2017 for the 200s." 06/08/2011 Flyer1015

"Pinnacle's 200 fleet has not been touched. No cuts of 50 seat jets at Pinnacle so far. IMO, we won't see any until at least 2017 when the CPA is up." 05/06/2011 Flyer1015

"Nah, I don't believe you bring equal value to the merger." 06/08/2011 Flyer1015"

What a relief we are keeping the 200's until 2017 because flyer predicted it in 2011.

 

[Flyer1015]

Making things up? And everything you say about 9E Corp came true? Here are some of your greatest hits from FI:


"CptMurf has good points. I honestly think it'll end up being straight-up DOH, with protection for current seat/base." Flyer1015

Haha, good memories. That was before the 9E committee came to eff everything up. DOH with protections would have been best for everyone involved, even those Colgantards with their heavy "career expectations."

"Your future is nothing like what ours was. Our ASAs were through 2017 for the 200s." 06/08/2011 Flyer1015

Yes, but take that in context. That statement was made when comparing Mesaba's future with Pinnacle's future. Mesaba's future was nothing like Pinnacle's. At that time, 9E wasn't losing any airplanes. Meanwhile, you were losing your entire Saab fleet, all 3 dozen of them. All of those pilots came off and found homes on original 9E planes. You're welcome.

"Pinnacle's 200 fleet has not been touched. No cuts of 50 seat jets at Pinnacle so far. IMO, we won't see any until at least 2017 when the CPA is up." 05/06/2011 Flyer1015

So I was wrong by 2-3 years. Sue me. The 200s are gone in 2013-2015 instead of 2017.

"Nah, I don't believe you bring equal value to the merger." 06/08/2011 Flyer1015"

You didn't! And that is fact. You brought a bunch of pilots who otherwise would have been downgraded (CAs) and furloughed (junior FOs) as the Saabs were parked.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

This is rich,
sir Richard? If you think for one minute DAL will do anything that isn't in their best interests , well....
If the best interest is to get the lowest cost metric possible to leverage the overall portfolio costs to the minimum, then you guys are the answer, offer a carrot, and once the metric is established, give a batch of planes to the new lowest carrier in the portfolio and furlough the surplus pilots. This will release pilots into the wild and allow the acceptable ones to be interviewed/hired with 0.00 obligation to the remainder.
Pilots, this is like making it to the final table at the WSOP and playing with the cards stuck to your forehead face out and not getting to see them before they are stuck there.
We are at a serious disadvantage in the game and the only thing we have potentially is unity, and we can see where that is today.
Make no mistake DAL is conducting a grand experiment with your lives, conduct yourselves accordingly.

 

[Flyer1015]

The TA will pass, probably 70/30. With some of the comments I'm reading, it seems some would fly for free just for currency sake for their next job. If Delta thinks a RJ FO should only make 37/HR even if they are a 8 year FO, then it really is time to STFD.

 

[General Lee]

This is rich,
sir Richard? If you think for one minute DAL will do anything that isn't in their best interests , well....
If the best interest is to get the lowest cost metric possible to leverage the overall portfolio costs to the minimum, then you guys are the answer, offer a carrot, and once the metric is established, give a batch of planes to the new lowest carrier in the portfolio and furlough the surplus pilots. This will release pilots into the wild and allow the acceptable ones to be interviewed/hired with 0.00 obligation to the remainder.
Pilots, this is like making it to the final table at the WSOP and playing with the cards stuck to your forehead face out and not getting to see them before they are stuck there.
We are at a serious disadvantage in the game and the only thing we have potentially is unity, and we can see where that is today.
Make no mistake DAL is conducting a grand experiment with your lives, conduct yourselves accordingly.

Since DL owns a lot of the CR9s, and there are operators like Gojets out there that will take them for less, then everyone in the Regional industry is at a disadvantage. Throw in BK for PNCL, and DL was given the upperhand because nobody would give DIP financing. That means they run the show.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jynxyjericho]

HYou didn't! And that is fact. You brought a bunch of pilots who otherwise would have been downgraded (CAs) and furloughed (junior FOs) as the Saabs were parked.

Pinnacle brought Phil Trenary, which was a bigger airline ender?

I'd submit Phil and the red neck brigade are the trump card in this discussion.

 

[Flyer1015]

Pinnacle brought Phil Trenary, which was a bigger airline ender?

I'd submit Phil and the red neck brigade are the trump card in this discussion.

Phi T is long gone. He cashed out, he knew there is no long term career at a regional airline. And Pinnacle was the carrier that bought 2 airlines, so you can't say what Pinnacle brought. Mesaba was shrinking over three dozen aircraft and Colgan was marked for death ever since they planted one near BUF. And that's exactly what happened. Even now, Colgan pilots are sitting home collecting full pay whereas they should have been unemployed.

 

[redflyer65]

Uncle Phil ran two airlines into bankrutpcy. Lonestar and now Pinnacle.

If he ever re-emerges......look out!

 

[jynxyjericho]

Phi T is long gone. He cashed out, he knew there is no long term career at a regional airline. And Pinnacle was the carrier that bought 2 airlines, so you can't say what Pinnacle brought. Mesaba was shrinking over three dozen aircraft and Colgan was marked for death ever since they planted one near BUF. And that's exactly what happened. Even now, Colgan pilots are sitting home collecting full pay whereas they should have been unemployed.

God, so pinnacle brought a negative balance sheet thanks to the CEO, Colgan, and Pinnacle who has lost their 900s and will lose the 200s. I'm trying to follow your logic here, help me out. I mean, mesaba does at least have a few airplanes left.

 

[bri5150]

Phi T is long gone. He cashed out, he knew there is no long term career at a regional airline. And Pinnacle was the carrier that bought 2 airlines, so you can't say what Pinnacle brought. Mesaba was shrinking over three dozen aircraft and Colgan was marked for death ever since they planted one near BUF. And that's exactly what happened. Even now, Colgan pilots are sitting home collecting full pay whereas they should have been unemployed.

The point being made is that the 200's were "marked for death" as well. My argument from the very beginning of this whole crap sandwhich was the the Mesaba and Pinnacle 900's were the only thing worth anything in this merger. It turns out the 9e 900's weren't even worth anything. You clearly saw the writing on the wall for Colgan, but not the 200's for some reason.

On a lighter note, u headed to lax in April?

 

[Flyer1015]

The point being made is that the 200's were "marked for death" as well. My argument from the very beginning of this whole crap sandwhich was the the Mesaba and Pinnacle 900's were the only thing worth anything in this merger. It turns out the 9e 900's weren't even worth anything. You clearly saw the writing on the wall for Colgan, but not the 200's for some reason.

On a lighter note, u headed to lax in April?

Yes, but at te time only the Saabs were being parked and 9E guys downgraded with Saab pilots coming to CRJs.

No, I'm staying put for now and see what happens.