Pinnacle is not Comair V2

[Inconceivable]

Delta lost its taste for owning regionals because of liability after Bowling Green.

A flight with a DL code, operated by a wholly-owned subsidiary, on an aircraft owned by DL, with a first officer trained by the wholly-owned subsidiary's ab initio pilot school.

Sometimes vertical integration is bad for risk management - particularly if you don't have operational control.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Delta lost its taste for owning regionals because of liability after Bowling Green.

A flight with a DL code, operated by a wholly-owned subsidiary, on an aircraft owned by DL, with a first officer trained by the wholly-owned subsidiary's ab initio pilot school.

Sometimes vertical integration is bad for risk management - particularly if you don't have operational control.

Or Lexington.

You haven't a clue what you speak of...

Remembering the passengers and crew of 5191...

 

[ex j-41]

Not one competing carrier has offered to help you guys out to hold the fictitious line, do not lose sight of that.

And voting YES will ensure you get ZERO from other airlines. I don't expect anyone to bail me out ever. I will have the integrity to tell management to shove it. Will you?

 

[mesaba13]

Yeah, but is your company threatening shutdown right now? I didn't think so. It was interesting watching my dad go on strike 5-6 times over his 40 year career and never crossing a picket line and finally losing his career for it. He always said the guys spouting off the loudest about holding lines and shutting it down were usually the first to cross the picket lines. Just saying!

 

[Erlanger]

What's this all about?

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2013/01/03/agreement-gives-more-clarity-to.html

 

[CRJ puppy]

What's this all about?

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2013/01/03/agreement-gives-more-clarity-to.html

Ummm. A little late to the party are we?!

 

[BentOver]

Ahh the old "if we vote yes, all will be well" people.... The one's who think that by voting yes you will miraculously save the airline are either...

1) really really naive
2) Way to green in the industry
3) Have had their head in the sand for the past decade



If you think that Delta will suddenly change directions because you all decide to give up 2 bucks an hour and accept 50% deadhead pay.. (just guessing) your wrong..... The decisions for the future have been made with or without whatever is in the Pinnacle TA.

What Delta is successfulling doing is slowly cutting costs regional by regional.....Think long term on this one boys... There will shortly be a next regional who will be pressured into giving up pay and work rules to gain/keep flying.. A few years down the road Pinanacle goes through this again etc....

The ones who aren't able to get out, in 10 years, will be working the same job, for less money/rules, than you are now. With a higher COL.. And trust me there aren't enough Legacy jobs out there for everyone.

 

[flyboyike]

The decisions for the future have been made with or without whatever is in the Pinnacle TA.

Key statement, right there.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

If the TA passes or not the only difference will be that the top 400 Captains keep their place. Either way the aircraft will slowly go away until there is 81 or zero. There is no way Delta can or would just shut the doors.

So if the TA doesn't pass, then yes, this is Comair all over again. Over the course of the next 3 years every one will lose their jobs.

If the TA passes all but the top 800 pilots get cut, half of them get down graded. They are at the top of the respective pay scales, and will never hire again. Their costs will be too high, and it will be just like Comair all over again.

Simple enough to understand?

Exactly! The level of denial on this topic baffles me. For the smart ones at Pinnacle, good luck with your job search.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Ahh the old "if we vote yes, all will be well" people.... The one's who think that by voting yes you will miraculously save the airline are either...

1) really really naive
2) Way to green in the industry
3) Have had their head in the sand for the past decade



If you think that Delta will suddenly change directions because you all decide to give up 2 bucks an hour and accept 50% deadhead pay.. (just guessing) your wrong..... The decisions for the future have been made with or without whatever is in the Pinnacle TA.

What Delta is successfulling doing is slowly cutting costs regional by regional.....Think long term on this one boys... There will shortly be a next regional who will be pressured into giving up pay and work rules to gain/keep flying.. A few years down the road Pinanacle goes through this again etc....

The ones who aren't able to get out, in 10 years, will be working the same job, for less money/rules, than you are now. With a higher COL.. And trust me there aren't enough Legacy jobs out there for everyone.

It's much worse than that. Try going from $75k to $33k a year... oh and topped out with no raise for 2 years then 1% after that, plus per diem frozen at $1.70 for good. Much more but that's just a highlight.

 

[wms]

This goes way beyond the company as an airline. RA and menke are manipulating the stock, driving it down now, then selling after they announce the plan to save it and the price spikes. Then when dal does buy pncl they will pay a premium to shareholders (themselves included) and double-dip on their investment.

 

[wmuflyguy]

This goes way beyond the company as an airline. RA and menke are manipulating the stock, driving it down now, then selling after they announce the plan to save it and the price spikes. Then when dal does buy pncl they will pay a premium to shareholders (themselves included) and double-dip on their investment.

Stock gets reissued after a company emerges from BK. The current stock will be/already is essentially worthless.

 

[i fly boxes]

Pinnacle will have 111 900s when this is done, not 81. Those next 30 options delta has will be placed at pinnacle as well. Pinnacle is being set up to be run by all delta management and they will be using both former nwa and comair facilities. They will be pumped up to 111 planes and if that is attractive to a buyer they will be bought, if not in 7 years they will then be the next comair at that point. If you are in the top 1500 at pinnacle you will probably be ok. They are only announcing 40 900s right now because they always have to keep it doom and gloom for as long as possible. Skywest republic and translates will be competing for American and united flying. Delta knows the regionals will be short staffed so they have solved their own problem. I am 99 percent confident all 70 900s will be at pinnacle leaving them with 111 900s

 

[rtmcfi]

This is painful to watch. This is exactly like Comair. The desperation oozing from some of these posts is awful. Good luck,and for gods sake, get out of that company. That ship is sinking.

 

[rumrnr78]

180+ airframes equate to how many flights per day? I dont know the answer, but if Pinnacle ceases, how much backfill could all the operators of Delta Airlines handle? A little, but there would be mass cancellations, stranded passengers, hotel rooms, delta dollars, lawsuits, and the brand would experience a massive blow. Yes they would recover, but it would be awhile. Comairs strike cost Delta 200 million+.... That was planned meaning delta knew it was coming, imagine if 182 airframes vanished today....

Comair strike is why DCI is deployed the way it is throughout the country. Are you delusional? Remember this, a lift provider is a job, not a carrier. I respect the job but just telling it like it is.