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Pinnacle Continues Hiring and Lowering Standards

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SEVEN said:
A Pinnacle interview is comparable to any other regional airline hiring.

I completely disagree. They were 1 of the three that invited me to interview and it was hands-down the hardest. Not only was it hardest, but the longest and most stress-inducing - the latter I believe is on purpose. I've heard so many people inside and outside of Pinnacle that the FAA came down hard on them after the MO crash, particularly in the hiring department. My interview class consisted of 13 people. 4 including me made it through all four parts and 2 that I know of were given offers. You do the math and if they only hire at that percentage then you can see why they interview so many people and so often. Last I read they were booking interviews well into September. I believe that they push you to your limit and are mostly concerned with your decision-making skills during the situational-based portion of the interview. They try to get in your head and are looking for your breaking point.

Do I agree with low-time pilots in the right seat? Not particularly, but it's up to each individual airline to make those minimums. They will either live or die by that ideology. I firmly believe there is nothing anyone can provide that will substitute for experience; and that translates into many hours. I was hired at my regional at just over 1000TTL 6 months ago. Some would say that's too low; others that I could have started accruing seniority somewhere much sooner than I did. Too many people are impatient and take the first thing that falls in their lap. For me, I knew the path I wanted to take and it involved much more time than 500 hrs. I pray the day never comes that I open a morning newspaper and read that a 500 hour pilot was responsible for an accident. That will be the straw that breaks the camel's back - or this debate's "9/11;" the event that changes it forever.

I also disagree with another's post that 500-1000 hours is only VFR time-building. For some that may be the case, but you cannot stereo-type everyone into that category. CFIs, particularly the devoted ones that work at busy flight schools, are not worthy of that statement. Instructing offered me so much and IS the reason why I have succeeded at my airline.
 
They have not lower their standards, they have redefined their competitive minimums.
 
CaptETWes said:
Do I agree with low-time pilots in the right seat? Not particularly, but it's up to each individual airline to make those minimums.

I was hired at my regional at just over 1000TTL 6 months ago.

For me, I knew the path I wanted to take and it involved much more time than 500 hrs.



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Notice in this thread...low-time = 500TTL. therefore, my time would not be considered low. unless, you are of the ideology that many thousands of hours should be the min.

I also believe that given the right kind of experience, there is a huge difference between 500TTL and 1000+. Again, like everything in this debate, that's JMO.
 
Are you typed in the CRJ?

CaptETWes I have a question. Are you typed in the CRJ?

You list CL-65 under types (or is it ratings) on your proflie. And, I was wondering if you are typed or just hoping?

Thanks in advance.
 
honeycomb said:
CaptETWes I have a question. Are you typed in the CRJ?

You list CL-65 under types (or is it ratings) on your proflie. And, I was wondering if you are typed or just hoping?

Care to elaborate as to why that matters? But, for your info, most CRJ FOs that fly these days, particularly to Canada have to be SIC-typed. That should be easy to discern from my profile. It's symantics, really. Hoping? That's classic.
 
CaptETWes said:
Notice in this thread...low-time = 500TTL. therefore, my time would not be considered low. unless, you are of the ideology that many thousands of hours should be the min.

This never ends in this business. When you have 500TT, they pick on you. When you have 10,000TT, there will be some who will say they didn't become a real pilot until their 11,736th hour. I choose to not worry about that and just fly to the best of my ability, the nay-sayers be damned.
 
Just checking. And, no not really. Not that I care but the SIC (should be added) part is really important unless you intend to mislead others. It is possible to have a CL-65 type with a CPL btw.

Thanks for the update. I am aware of the International rules on FO's. I have flown a couple trips out of the country. But, thanks for the heads up.
 
flyboyike said:
This never ends in this business. When you have 500TT, they pick on you. When you have 10,000TT, there will be some who will say they didn't become a real pilot until their 11,736th hour. I choose to not worry about that and just fly to the best of my ability, the nay-sayers be danged.

No not at all. I think about 3500 hours is a minimum for the right seat of any 121 operation. With about 1500 to 2000 hours multi. Turbine would be a good thing. But not required in my book.
 
honeycomb said:
Just checking. And, no not really. Not that I care but the SIC (should be added) part is really important unless you intend to mislead others. It is possible to have a CL-65 type with a CPL btw.

Thanks for the update. I am aware of the International rules on FO's. I have flown a couple trips out of the country. But, thanks for the heads up.

Glad we're on the same page. BTW, I forgot to include in the last post that CL-65 is in fact under the "Ratings" section on the back of my CPL. Interestingly enough, SIC is only under the "Limitations" section. Didn't mean to seem defensive earlier, it's hard to figure out one's intentions on these threads.
 
CaptETWes said:
Interestingly enough, SIC is only under the "Limitations" section.

Yep that is were it is supposed to be.

Hang in there.
 
honeycomb said:
No not at all. I think about 3500 hours is a minimum for the right seat of any 121 operation. With about 1500 to 2000 hours multi. Turbine would be a good thing. But not required in my book.

So what exact magic comes over you on that 3500th hour that suddenly makes you good enough? It must be something you somehow did not have at 3400TT and/or 1436 multi. What is it? What great truth do you suddenly realize?

I think my greenness is my strongest suit. You see, I know for a fact I don't know everything yet.
 
honeycomb said:
Yep that is were it is supposed to be.

Hang in there.

And as soon as Flightinfo.com puts a "Limitations" section in our user profiles, I give you my word I'll put SIC there. Until then, I have a CL-65 rating, be it SIC or not. I think you were really looking to pick a fight.

Hang in there, too, little buddy.
 
I was flying lears at 19 and 600 hours with 350 plus multi turbine PIC. I was never trained to fly from the right seat. It was a tough transition for my mind to make. I had to learn how to run before I could crawl. Left hand meet throttles.

The captain told me I would have 3 years of jet seasoning before he turned me lose as a captain in that toy and it would be with a type rated first officer with good experience. I was mad as heck. I could do it and what did he know anyway.

I was thankful he did it btw. I know better now what is required as a good Captain. And what I want in the right seat of the a/c with me.

I did not say that is the magic number. I said that is what I think should be the minimum.

And, I have over 10,000 hours so I might know something about that.

Check in with some others and see what they have too say about a good F.O. in regards to TT / ME (flight time).
 
CaptETWes said:
And as soon as Flightinfo.com puts a "Limitations" section in our user profiles, I give you my word I'll put SIC there. Until then, I have a CL-65 rating, be it SIC or not. I think you were really looking to pick a fight.

Hang in there, too, little buddy.


Actually NO I wasn't.

Just checking it out. You had the right response the first time...buddy.
 

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