Pinnacle Air Services

[AirplanesSuck]

How do you pack for two weeks? I just talked to a JetCorp pilot the other day (now part of JetDirect) who said they are going to a 20 on, 10 off schedule, with travel days tacked on front and back (so really 22 on, 8 off). You PA guys have been out for more than 15 days lately? Mandatory O/T? You should tell them to pay you O/T at the JetRide rate.

 

[Rake]

Pack for one week and do a wash. Who knows when I'm coming home. The 45's schedule is very "dynamic" right now. No comment on OT. This has been addressed before and no solution was obtained.

 

[Downwind]

OT, yeah, that's REAL funny. OT doesn't exist on PA property.

What higher med premium? We pay $2.00 a month at PA.

15/15 or 16/14, or 18/17, pack for 9 then wash. Our remote schedule sucks, no doubt.

 

[CFI4LIFE]

No OT? Best be airlining me back to base on my last day then, I don't fly for free. Ever.

 

[Rokit88]

Word! I turn into a pumpkin on my days off and the only thing that will fix that is MONEY!

 

[AirplanesSuck]

Companies like Pinnacle and Jetride do not need our charity. As much as they may want it, gaps in coverage are direct results of staffing and schedule incompentencies. I'm always glad to help out in this respect, but for a price. The idea that schedules can't be covered and the slack must somehow be picked up by those of us who have no control over it whatsoever is simply absurd.

Write emails to Wynn, guys. Tell him that it's unacceptable for a company worth millions and making millions in profit to ask you to work days off without just compensation. Reference contract pilot day pay. Be respectful... he'll listen.

 

[cl604driver]

i heard that the jetride cp got a g-4 type and told nobody???

 

[starcheckdriver]

i heard that the jetride cp got a g-4 type and told nobody???

He told anybody that inquired about his absence in the office. And before any starts to rant about the justification for him getting the type....Jetride's POI and some others from the FAA mandated that a member of management be typed in the aircraft prior to commencing revenue operations. So, it was either the CP or the DO.

 

[Ritz Carlton]

Pinnacle will not pay over time, in the past if a pilot worked one of their scheduled days off, the policy stated that Pinnacle was suppose to pay that pilot $100.00. As far as I know one pilot just resigned and they had not compensated him for the 10 days he had worked and that is a fact. There is no progressive pay scale in place and no overtime policy in place at present. They have lost 4 pilots in the 45 program in the last few months and that is a fact.

 

[starcheckdriver]

My guess is that most of the pilots from the former Jetride will not stand for working days off without compensation. As AirplanesSuck stated earlier, most are happy to help out the company in a jam, but not for free. We work enough as it is and value our time off. Working overtime without pay is just plain wrong and no company should expect their employees to do it.

Food for thought....I don't always need money for working a day off. Sometimes getting an extra day off the following duty rotation will suffice as just compensation.

 

[osy007]

Things I would like to see

They keep mentioning that they want to make this a company where employees want to stay and make a career out of it. I quess they intend to change things for the better.

Things I would like to see.........
1. Pay Scale-----I would like to know where I will be in 10 years.
2. Equal pay for all pilots except large a/c. I especially want to hear some feedback on this one..... My argument is, why should someone working twice as hard get paid less than someone because he is in a slightly larger a/c.
We fly almost everyday unless the plane is down for mx.
3. A REAL seniority list that works when bidding on available positions.
The current system stinks of ca-ca-pookie.
4. FAC commitee--LOL.....one that would work..

I think that this should keep the thread going....

 

[macpilot]

If PA and JR are going to slowly start to intigrate everything, then PA will probably adobt jr's overtime policy along with everything else, is that correct. Including payscales and schedule. And how about per diem. This is probably redundant, but I thought it was all addressed ealier.

Also, does jetride do any kind of standardization training or have sop's.

Any jetride guys going to be in Vegas monday thru thursday?

 

[osy007]

If PA and JR are going to slowly start to intigrate everything, then PA will probably adobt jr's overtime policy along with everything else, is that correct. Including payscales and schedule. And how about per diem. This is probably redundant, but I thought it was all addressed ealier.

Also, does jetride do any kind of standardization training or have sop's.

Any jetride guys going to be in Vegas monday thru thursday?

Nothing is standardized....pay is all over the place...I think JR pilots would have a real hissy if they knew what some are making.. The off the street guys tend to get paid 5-15k more.......Ask airplanes suck guy....OFF the street LR60 Capt pay for one individual is 85K.. total b.s.

Perdiem is most likely to change to the JR policy. $36 measly dollars a day.

We were standardized in the LR60 with SOP's and profiles. But not will all of the other a/c.

 

[macpilot]

Nothing is standardized....pay is all over the place...I think JR pilots would have a real hissy if they knew what some are making.. The off the street guys tend to get paid 5-15k more.......Ask airplanes suck guy....OFF the street LR60 Capt pay for one individual is 85K.. total b.s.

Perdiem is most likely to change to the JR policy. $36 measly dollars a day.

We were standardized in the LR60 with SOP's and profiles. But not will all of the other a/c.

36 a day sound nice to me, I'm tired of staying in sleezy hotels because the captain has a per diem fetish. How does a company get away with not inforcing standardization. SOP's and checklist have been written with blood, POI's should be all over that. I fly with 4 different people and I'm expected to fly the airlplane 4 different ways. I have asked once and they said its techniqe and should be left to the pilots discression. But its a safety issue, how can their be any discression about it? Am I out of line on this?

Like I have said earlier, If we go to jetrides pay, ot and per diem, the 2 weeks on/off pilots will probably break even, and the sprindale bassed crew will see a nice raise because we don't do a fraction of the overnights.

 

[starcheckdriver]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.....Jetride has standardization and SOPs when it comes to operationing procedures. We have a Policy Manual that contains 75 pages of SOPs aircraft operation, call-outs, and profiles for every phase of flight including emergencies.

We have a Standards Committee made up of several Captains that meet or have conference calls on a regular basis to develop SOPs and operating practices.

What JR lacks in the standards area is the pay across the board. Osy007 is right, some guys are paid more than others for no good reason. Based on his comments, I imagine osy is a 35 driver. 35 guys deserve the same pay as a 60 drive, IMHO. I have flown both. Sure the 60 is bigger, but the 35 requires more pilot input and is harder to fly. The MTOW are not much different. 35, 45, 55 and 60 series drivers should all be paid on the same scale. Larger than that may deserve more pay.

But, before we go knocking a lack of SOPs, go to Teamworks and take a look at the Policy Manual. All the SOPs are there and we should give the Standards Committee a thumbs up for a job well done on getting us to this point with the SOPs and flight profiles.