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Yeah good luck with all that.
 
Hey starcheck,

Are you going to validate users against the pilot list to make sure it is just "us" on this forum, or is it open to anyone?

I can get you a PA list if you need one.
 
Yeah I got the new senority list after I posted. Everyone is fixing to move up one. One of our (PA) senior guys is moving on to SWA. Congrats.

The new notice for the conference call includes an email to send questions prior to the call so that they may have a better answer for us. I think this will really help. Maybe some has been reading this thread?
 
Downwind said:
Hey starcheck,

Are you going to validate users against the pilot list to make sure it is just "us" on this forum, or is it open to anyone?

I can get you a PA list if you need one.
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I can only validate by comparing your e-mail address. In other words, I cannot see your real name that your register with. And of course, there are always ones who will register will a false name. However, most peoples' e-mail address give some indication as to who they are.

If you are worried about management having access, well there is not much I can do to stop that. I could ban the IP address for Rogers and Columbus, meaning banning management from logging on at work. However, trying to ban them from a home computer is next to impossible unless I am dead certain who they are.

I am not sure I want to ban them anyways just for peace-keeping reasons. I recommend that everyone register so they can at least read the forums. Posting is up to you. As always, think twice about your posts and remember I won't always know who is reading the forums. E-mail with any further questions [email protected]

Fly safe.
 
starcheckdriver said:
I can only validate by comparing your e-mail address. In other words, I cannot see your real name that your register with. And of course, there are always ones who will register will a false name. However, most peoples' e-mail address give some indication as to who they are.

If you are worried about management having access, well there is not much I can do to stop that. I could ban the IP address for Rogers and Columbus, meaning banning management from logging on at work. However, trying to ban them from a home computer is next to impossible unless I am dead certain who they are.

I am not sure I want to ban them anyways just for peace-keeping reasons. I recommend that everyone register so they can at least read the forums. Posting is up to you. As always, think twice about your posts and remember I won't always know who is reading the forums. E-mail with any further questions [email protected]

Fly safe.
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I'm not worried about mgmt having access. I shoot it pretty straight with them face to face. I just hate to see a bunch of out of company idiots crowding our board. I also worry about our ability to discuss sensitive information on the forum.
 
Downwind,

In regards to people outside the company, I am going to do my best to prevent it. I may need to verify through some questions that are company specific. However, the Airnet site that many of us were members of, didn't have much of a problem with people outside the company trying to join, especially if they have to pay to join the site.
 
osy007 said:
Nothing is standardized....pay is all over the place...I think JR pilots would have a real hissy if they knew what some are making.. The off the street guys tend to get paid 5-15k more.......Ask airplanes suck guy....OFF the street LR60 Capt pay for one individual is 85K.. total b.s.

Perdiem is most likely to change to the JR policy. $36 measly dollars a day.

We were standardized in the LR60 with SOP's and profiles. But not will all of the other a/c.
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For the most part we are in the process of fixing JR's old managements mistakes.

Pay is all over the place but very close. This was our old CP mistake. Most LR60 guys range from 68-72 and that is pretty close... very few make about that. I would like to know who is making 85K as well, and I do believe it. It's just not our current managments fault.

We have a standards captains and they do a real good job traveling the bases and checking to see SOP are standard.

JR is not perfect but has shown unmeasurable amount of improvements that has positively effected everyone.
 
I take it that you haven't been with jetride since the beginning.

The starting pay for the 35 pic was 65k and the 60 was 75k. They lowered those both by 10k. When I transitioned to the left seat in the 35, I actually took a slight pay cut.

As for the 85k....I not going to name names. He's not the first to come off the street and make more than the standard pay. But that was all done with the old regime. Without Airnet, things will improve without a doubt.
 
No, I haven't been with JR from the beginning but have been there for more than 4 years. Yea, no kidding pay is crazy over here. There's not a whole lot they can do to fix the JR pay except for the pinnacle guys and new hires. My guess they will get there pay reorganized. My prediction will be they loose the $50 day pay and bump up there pay to about 70K give or take a grand. That makes since and that makes things more even. They will hate that to happen though.
 
My prediction will be they loose the $50 day pay and bump up there pay to about 70K give or take a grand. That makes since and that makes things more even. They will hate that to happen though.
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That will suck. Because, $50 a day for us amounts to over $9000 a year. Just to bump us up to $70,000 will mean that we will go backward in pay. Not cool.
 
70K for a captain with experience is kinda on the low side. I would hope that they do some serious contimplation before they publish any kind of scale. If they want to keep people they are going to need to start paying on the high side of part 135 wages or they will suffer from constant turnover.
 
osy007 said:
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The starting pay for the 35 pic was 65k and the 60 was 75k. They lowered those both by 10k. When I transitioned to the left seat in the 35, I actually took a slight pay cut.
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$65k & $75 WTF.
Now I'm pissed, Holly S**t where's the asprin?

I guess our worth when down.
 
I had been waiting to apply until the Pinnacle/Jetride buyout was complete and the dust settled. I think I will just find some better place to go to work. Road crews going away, pay cuts, and per diem problems. Sounds like it might turn into a sinking ship. You are only as good as the people you have around you and this kind of stuff is going to lead to high turnover, low moral, and a lack of quality candidates.

Hope it gets better for you guys. Good luck.
 
Lear Wanna Be said:
I had been waiting to apply until the Pinnacle/Jetride buyout was complete and the dust settled. I think I will just find some better place to go to work. Road crews going away, pay cuts, and per diem problems. Sounds like it might turn into a sinking ship. You are only as good as the people you have around you and this kind of stuff is going to lead to high turnover, low moral, and a lack of quality candidates.

Hope it gets better for you guys. Good luck.
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Dude it's anything but a sinking ship.

There was no pay cuts just that the old management offered less to new captains from what I gathered.
You could be right about road crews!
The per-deim isn't a problem. We'll get it worked out soon.
Just a few integration bumps.
 
First, the remote airplanes are not going away. Some will be based but our client list requires us to maintain some remotes.

Pay is going up. The differences between JR and PCL will be eliminated. If your counterpart makes more you will go up in salary. Nobody will go backwards.

Jetride will be buying airplanes about as fast as we can get them. We are increasing the number of large airframes.

Per diem will remain the old PCL way. IT works.


Wynn has done wonders in the short time he has been here. I predict this will be THE 135 op to work at by next year. I thing the changes will be as dramatic as pre union NetJets and post union.
 
thats all well and good, but I have one complaint.

Per Diem should not be thought of as a income stream. Just give us X amount per day or X amount per duty hour. And pay for the hotels. There is no more paperwork on their end, and it will make everyone much happier.
 
Anyone who considers per-diem as income is digging their own grave. I personally like the way the per-diem is set up. It allows me the choice in where I stay. The office has always helped in a pinch. Any left over CASH is all good. I would like my salary and day pay to be combined as a whole. That way every paycheck is the same. Easier on the budget.
 
Just in case some of you might not have seen, we have a Jetride pilot site at http://www.pinnaride.com There is a forum there with Company Chat threads, Aircraft Chat threads and general threads. The donation required for one year is $3 to assist with maintaining the site.
 
Just wondering!!!

A few months ago management said that this fusion between PNL and JR would be a great deal for us pilots and we would be extreamly happy!!

Anyone extreamly happy yet?
 
sort of....

I was hoping to see a payscale. Wynn stated that we will use the Pinnacle side of pay raises. But he didnt say what that was... Does any pinnadudes know? I am guessing 5%.

Also, we will only get raises as long as the company is making money, that makes sense. But, it's gonna hurt if they dont..

Im hoping that pinnaride or jetride, whatever they decide to name us, will match our 401k. 1.5% is kinda stingy. Maybe that is the next item to bring up.

The medical insurance stinks big time....If your reading the fine print.. Dont get hurt..or its gonna cost big time in deductables.

But overall....
Were getting some improvements that we haven't seen in years with Jetride. Im sure things can only get better.
 
JJET44 said:
Just wondering!!!

A few months ago management said that this fusion between PNL and JR would be a great deal for us pilots and we would be extreamly happy!!

Anyone extreamly happy yet?
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I am. I think. No, wait a minute. Maybe not just yet. I'll get back to ya.
 

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